# Glee: 2.16 "Original Song" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 15, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849 "2011-03-15T23:43:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/41 "2011-03-17T01:40:46Z")
I never realized just how sad of a character Quinn was. I mean, she’s right, she’s probably going to be stuck in that small town for the rest of her life and she’ll look back at high school as her glory days. Damn, I’d kill myself if high school was my highlight. I actually loved Big-ass heart. And I thought Santana sang the style of trouty mouth well. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/42 "2011-03-17T02:25:24Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I never realized just how sad of a character Quinn was. I mean, she’s right, she’s probably going to be stuck in that small town for the rest of her life and she’ll look back at high school as her glory days. Damn, I’d kill myself if high school was my highlight. She’s from a well to do family and has good grades so college is certainly an option, so if she stays in Lima it’s her own choice. Poor Brittney on the other hand is probably going to have 13 kids by 11 fathers and still think they’re brought on by not brushing her teeth enough. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/43 "2011-03-17T02:36:21Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > She’s from a well to do family and has good grades so college is certainly an option, so if she stays in Lima it’s her own choice. Poor Brittney on the other hand is probably going to have 13 kids by 11 fathers and still think they’re brought on by not brushing her teeth enough. I often wonder if her parents spiking her morning orange juice with birth control pills or if she’s just barren. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/44 "2011-03-17T14:41:11Z")
Gummi [Yaz](http://www.yaz-us.com/). Gotta be the only explanation ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/45 "2011-03-17T15:38:58Z")
Seventeen years between Northern Exposure’s gay non-kiss/Roseanne’s lesbian smooch and two teenage boys sharing a full on, no camera fade, not even a “very special episode”, full strength **kiss** during primetime. Folks, I gotta tell you. As a society, we’ve come a long way in a short time. I mean, it ain’t civil rights, but it’s sort of frankly amazing if you think about it. Also, “you could suck a baby’s head” made me laugh until I was lightheaded and gasping. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/46 "2011-03-17T16:05:54Z")
A quick word on Dalton Academy. I aprove of the zero tollerance pollicy on bullies and the high academic standards. But every time The Warblers break into song, it’s papers everwhere! I’d probably stay off campus for rehersals just so I can hang on to my homework. Pick up after yourselves! ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/47 "2011-03-17T16:17:03Z")
“Hell to the No” was the best of the original songs. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/48 "2011-03-17T17:28:19Z")
> [@filling\_pages](#): > > Seventeen years between Northern Exposure’s gay non-kiss/Roseanne’s lesbian smooch and two teenage boys sharing a full on, no camera fade, not even a “very special episode”, full strength **kiss** during primetime. Folks, I gotta tell you. As a society, we’ve come a long way in a short time. I mean, it ain’t civil rights, but it’s sort of frankly amazing if you think about it. I’m glad it happened a few days _after_ the tsunami or I guarantee you somebody would be making a connection (the “happened on another continent” thing being dismissed as irrelevant). > [@Trion](#): > > A quick word on Dalton Academy. I aprove of the zero tollerance pollicy on bullies and the high academic standards. But every time The Warblers break into song, it’s papers everwhere! I’d probably stay off campus for rehersals just so I can hang on to my homework. Pick up after yourselves! Apparently they have no rehearsal hall- they’re always having to do it in the oak paneled artwork filled empty rooms. ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/49 "2011-03-17T17:37:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’m glad it happened a few days _after_ the tsunami or I guarantee you somebody would be making a connection (the “happened on another continent” thing being dismissed as irrelevant). Hadn’t thought about it, but you’re probably right. John Hagee is no doubt somewhere right now trying to figure out the connection. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/50 "2011-03-17T19:16:44Z")
Dalton is a very strange school. Gorgeous interior design, apparently no teachers or adult staff of any kind, and a student body consisting entirely of cute boys (all of whom are either gay or gay friendly). There’s just got to be some deep, dark, Lovecraftian secret about it. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/51 "2011-03-17T19:23:30Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Dalton is a very strange school. Gorgeous interior design, apparently no teachers or adult staff of any kind, and a student body consisting entirely of cute boys (all of whom are either gay or gay friendly). There’s just got to be some deep, dark, Lovecraftian secret about it. I think Blaine is being groomed to be sacrificed at the end of the year. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/52 "2011-03-17T22:58:47Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I’m not a huge Kathy Griffin fan, though she’s been funny at roasts and such. She was kinda bad here, though, IMHO. Just pulled me out of the show. She came off as a REAAAAAAALY BAD SNL skit that never should’ve made it to air but instead kept coming back week after week. And what the hell, last year regionals had Josh Groban and Olivia Newton John as judges this year they get a bad caricature and a stripper nun? The fuck? I can only assume next year the judges will be a talking dog and a serial killing kindergarten teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/53 "2011-03-17T23:31:31Z")
[QUOTE=TBG] I can only assume next year the judges will be a talking dog and a serial killing kindergarten teacher. [/QUOTE] One of them played by Betty White. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/54 "2011-03-18T00:11:21Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > … next year the judges will be a talking dog and a serial killing kindergarten teacher. > [@Sampiro](#): > > One of them played by Betty White. But which one? ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/55 "2011-03-18T00:31:02Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I did like Griffin’s little cross herself/salute gesture, though I think Tea Party members are overwhelmingly Protestant aren’t they? There are a lot of otherwise well-educated people who don’t really get that there’s a difference between Catholics and Protestants, grouping both as Jesus People. Either the writers are among them, or they’re saying Griffin’s character is. On the other hand, I really don’t understand the difference between Shiite and Sunni, so I’m not inclined to throw stones. Either way, I thought the judges were a waste of screen time this week. A Tea Party member, a stripper turned nun, and an Anchorman had potential on paper, but just came across as flat. And Sue wasn’t funny, just vicious. The numbers made up for it though, and I loved that Kurt took the time to change into an all black outfit, complete with matching boots and jewelry, before bursting in to the common room to announce Pavarotti’s death. And I’m really pleased that “the kiss” hasn’t been treated as a big deal in the media - just another sweet moment in an often sentimental show. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/56 "2011-03-18T00:47:00Z")
> [@filling\_pages](#): > > Seventeen years between Northern Exposure’s gay non-kiss/Roseanne’s lesbian smooch and two teenage boys sharing a full on, no camera fade, not even a “very special episode”, full strength kiss during primetime. Folks, I gotta tell you. As a society, we’ve come a long way in a short time. I mean, it ain’t civil rights, but it’s sort of frankly amazing if you think about it. I was thinking about the Rickie character on _My So-Called Life_ way back in 1994. He’s the only other recurring gay teen character I remember from a primetime network TV show, and while he was portrayed sympathetically I don’t think he had any on-screen romance with another boy. His life was also pretty grim compared to Kurt’s – Kurt has certainly had his problems, but he’s at least safe in his own home. > [@SuperNelson](#): > > And I’m really pleased that “the kiss” hasn’t been treated as a big deal in the media - just another sweet moment in an often sentimental show. I was actually checking Google News earlier to see if there’d been any sort of “GAY TEEN PORN ON TV!” outcry, and found…nothing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/57 "2011-03-18T01:11:52Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > There are a lot of otherwise well-educated people who don’t really get that there’s a difference between Catholics and Protestants, grouping both as Jesus People. Either the writers are among them, or they’re saying Griffin’s character is… Griffin herself was raised Roman Catholic, attended parochial schools run by nuns, and frequently mocks the Church in her routines. It might’ve just been an adlib by her. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/58 "2011-03-18T01:19:51Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Dalton is a very strange school. Gorgeous interior design, apparently no teachers or adult staff of any kind, and a student body consisting entirely of cute boys (all of whom are either gay or gay friendly). There’s just got to be some deep, dark, Lovecraftian secret about it. I think they’re being fed something bubbling in a cauldron without their knowledge to give them their singing skills. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/59 "2011-03-18T04:04:47Z")
Finally saw it! Quite good - but yeah, it did seem pretty rushed. Loved the kiss!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849/60 "2011-03-18T05:55:42Z")
If Kurt and Blaine don’t have a bedroom scene where they sing [As Long as You’re Mine](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsCwSD9P_n4), especially with the final line intact, I will demand Ryan Murphy’s excommunication and shunning from all gay organizations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-16-original-song-open-spoilers/574849.md?page=4)