# Glee: 2.22 "New York", SEASON FINALE (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077 "2011-05-24T22:17:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/41 "2011-05-26T22:08:25Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Now, she DID after that pretend that Finn was the father while feeling out if Puck was relationship/daddy material, granted. In fairness, Quinn was in a very difficult situation at the time. Her parents threw her out as soon as they learned she was pregnant, and she must have expected something like that to happen because she made a big deal about how she needed a boyfriend who was reliable and a good provider. This wasn’t for the baby’s sake, as she was always planning to give the baby up for adoption. (Puck wanted to prove he was good father material for his own reasons.) Not that this makes lying to Finn the ethical thing to do, but she wasn’t just stringing him along for giggles. She had to move in with Finn and his mom when her parents kicked her out, then wound up in an awkward living situation with Puck and _his_ mom when Finn broke up with her, before finally being welcomed into Mercedes’s family home. Weirdly, the writers seem to have almost entirely forgotten all this. I’m not sure Mercedes and Quinn ever even spoke this season, and the “Lucy Caboosey” backstory struck me as a redundant explanation of why Quinn was fixated on beauty and becoming prom queen. Without this revelation it just would have seemed like Quinn wanted to regain the appearance and high social status she’d enjoyed before becoming a “cautionary whale” (as Juno put it). > [@](#): > > But it’s over the top to imply she was getting laid regularly by Puck while keeping Finn on the hook. As far as we’ve been shown/told, she’s had sex exactly once, same as Finn has. Right. When she was dating Sam she explicitly said she did not want to have sex again, at least not in the near future. > [@Annie](#): > > I’m going to watch the whole thing again just to see the Love and Happiness Coffee Shop scene at the end. I could stare at Blaine staring at Kurt all day long. I had missed Darren Criss’s name in the opening credits, so I was surprised to see him in this episode. I was all “Awww!” during the scene with Blaine and Kurt, then I thought “Wait, am I being pandered to? I didn’t even like being pandered to when I was a stripper.” Then I decided I didn’t care. The Kurt storyline is the only one I was really invested in this season, and I think it was nice to end with Kurt happy and looking forward to an enjoyable summer with his boyfriend. I was also struck by the unsettling realization that Blaine’s taste in casual clothing is basically “gay Mister Rogers”. When he leaves the Dalton campus he takes off his blazer and puts on a '50s dad sweater, presumably singing the entire time. > [@Trion](#): > > But I also found it unbelievable that Rachel wanted to see “Cats” in the first place. Really? She’s in New York and that’s her play of choice? Well, that homeless guy probably offered her a really good price! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/42 "2011-05-29T00:25:28Z")
One of my friends sent me a [Perez Hilton post](http://perezhilton.com/2011-05-26-glee-creator-brad-falchuck-talks-season-finale-season-3) in which he says he says a spin-off about Rachel, Finn, Kurt, and Blaine in NYC is the “BEST IDEA EVER”. 🙂 It turns out someone from _Entertainment Weekly_ asked _Glee_ co-creator Brad Falchuk about this in a [recent interview](http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/05/25/glee-brad-falchuk-season-finale/), although it doesn’t sound like this is an idea he’d ever seriously considered. More interestingly, Falchuk says the season two finale was originally supposed to be 20 minutes longer. I do seem to recall hearing a rumor earlier in the season that the finale would be a 90 minute episode. I assume this had to be changed due to _American Idol_ bumping _Glee_ to a later hour, although you would think FOX would be able to work something out so two of its most popular shows weren’t coming into conflict. Anyway, this does to some extent explain why the finale was not more coherent, but I’d say that there was material left in the episode that easily could have been cut in favor of other scenes. We’ve already discussed how stupid the bit about the _Cats_ tickets was, and I think we could have done without seeing whatever random choir that was singing the Usher song. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/43 "2011-05-29T00:31:03Z")
Most interesting thing in that interview is that they’re hiring new writers; prior to now it’s just been the show’s 3 creators. That explains a lot about the plot holes. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/44 "2011-05-29T00:44:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Most interesting thing in that interview is that they’re hiring new writers; prior to now it’s just been the show’s 3 creators. That explains a lot about the plot holes. Yeah, I was thinking “Maybe once they’ve got a bigger team of writers they’ll try a little harder to maintain consistency.” ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/45 "2011-05-29T04:47:59Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Seriously, the whole idea of arriving in NYC and only then start to write songs to perform in a final competition? Even the worst slackers in my college classes would see that as a really dumb idea. Yep. What bothered me even more though was the band. I could buy a choir learning a song in a few hours, but arranging the music and having the band remember how to play it? No. Even if they are “the furniture”. Which gets me wondering what happens in real show choirs. Do they all bring their own bands, or do they send the sheet music to the contests ahead of time so their house bands can learn all the music? > [@DMark](#): > > And excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but if a choir director (or performer) had the chance to go and star in a Broadway production, wouldn’t their choir or friends be jumping up and down with excitement and joy?! I didn’t quite get this. They made it out like the only choices were stay with the choir forever or leave forever. When it was explicitly stated that this particular opportunity was just for the summer anyway. But for some reason if he actually was on stage for the summer then he’d be forever stuck on broadway and could never return! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/46 "2011-05-29T06:26:45Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I didn’t quite get this. They made it out like the only choices were stay with the choir forever or leave forever. When it was explicitly stated that this particular opportunity was just for the summer anyway. But for some reason if he actually was on stage for the summer then he’d be forever stuck on broadway and could never return! I think he had the change to perform in _CrossRhodes_ indefinitely if the show proved to be successful, it’s just that he didn’t think this was likely to happen. Of course, there would have been no reason why he couldn’t just choose to leave the show at the end of the summer if it was still running. It’s not like Broadway shows never replace cast members. The whole _CrossRhodes_ plot was really not worked out very well, and since it was wrapped up so quickly it just seemed pointless. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/47 "2011-05-30T15:41:10Z")
[QUOTE=Lamia] The whole _CrossRhodes_ plot was really not worked out very well, and since it was wrapped up so quickly it just seemed pointless. [/QUOTE] If Will was involved they’ll probably still be writing the opening number while the Overture plays. I saw Chris Colfer on the Piers Morgan show and have determined exactly what keeps him from being attracticve: [he](http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk6uofUTLI1qafc4ho1_500.jpg) has [dolphin teeth](http://themurkyfringe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dolphin-teeth.jpg). I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn his grandmother or a great-grandmother was sexually assaulted at Sea World and just never told the rest of the family and let her husband think the baby was his, but genes will resurface. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/48 "2011-05-30T16:44:37Z")
I guess that would also explain his unusually high pitched voice. While his teeth are kind of weird (IIRC someone in a previous thread said he looked like he still had his baby teeth), I think Colfer’s also still got a little of that adolescent boy “My face doesn’t fit together yet” look. In another year or so he may look different. He did look like [this](http://glee.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ballads1.jpg) only about a year and a half ago. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/49 "2011-05-31T00:55:59Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > While his teeth are kind of weird (IIRC someone in a previous thread said he looked like he still had his baby teeth), I think Colfer’s also still got a little of that adolescent boy “My face doesn’t fit together yet” look. In another year or so he may look different. He did look like [this](http://glee.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ballads1.jpg) only about a year and a half ago. How about right [frigging now?](http://i.imgur.com/HE3Fz.jpg) :eek: He looks like he found a bottle of St. Joseph’s 'roids for Children! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/50 "2011-05-31T23:08:35Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > I dunno how I feel about a Kurt/Rachel spin-off . . . they both seem so similar to me. Lots of drama and over-the-top reactions to mundane things. Especially from Rachel. Sometimes I think that girl really thinks the whole world is a stage. Everything she says is just so rushed and breathy and dramatic. > > Would love to see Brittany and Santana living together in NYC, though. What do you guys think of the chemistry between those two? I feel like they are squarely “friends” without much sexual or romantic chemistry (even though they were sleeping together earlier), but my friend thinks that their friendship could easily evolve into romance. You missed a couple episodes, didn’t you? Santana is totally in love with Brittany, but afraid of coming out. Brittany has no problem with being out, but she also loves Artie. B & A has a breakup when he asked why she was so stupid as S convinced her that they could fool around & it wasn’t being unfaithful to A, but it seems B forgave & got back with A. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/51 "2011-05-31T23:10:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Especially if Brittany was her roommate and brought Lord Tubbington and they hosted a Fondue for Two (or More) talk show in Tribeca. LARD Tubbington! If I’d just heard it, I wouldn’t have been sure, but he was captioned on FF2 as Lard. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/52 "2011-05-31T23:25:59Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Santana is totally in love with Brittany, but afraid of coming out. Brittany has no problem with being out, but she also loves Artie. B & A has a breakup when he asked why she was so stupid as S convinced her that they could fool around & it wasn’t being unfaithful to A, but it seems B forgave & got back with A. I’m still a little annoyed that the writers didn’t make it more clear that (whether?) Brittany and Artie were back together. She danced with him at prom, but she danced with lots of people (including Mike Chang and some random girl) at prom. He helped her with “My Cup”\*, but so did Puck. Her comment to Santana about being there for Artie when he takes his first steps indicates she sees herself with him long term, but since she was also talking about being a bridesmaid at Mike and Tina’s wedding she could just be thinking of him as a life-long _friend_. I _think_ we’re supposed to understand that they are indeed back together, but the writers had two whole episodes in which to make this clear and they didn’t. A few seconds of the whole repetitive Quinn/Finn/Rachel love triangle could easily have been cut to give Artie time to say “I’m so glad we’re back together, baby!” \*BTW, I listened to the full version of this song on [YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhsAUi387I) and realized the beginning of the song was cut from the episode. It opens with a suggestive-sounding verse about how Brittany wants to “take you to my lips, and empty out every last drop”. I suspect the episode was originally shot with the longer version of the song, as the horrified expressions of the other kids and Tina’s question about whether the song was really about a cup make more sense that way. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077/53 "2011-06-08T18:10:07Z")
I’m so sad. I miss loving Glee. Now I just don’t care anymore. The last 2 episodes sat on my tivo until last night. By halfway through the funeral ep, I was bored. Not a single good song, IMHO (some really good performances, but the songs were boring to the point of being unlistenable). Mercedes’s “Try a Little Tenderness” was the highlight, I guess. I’ve ceased caring about the characters. I _almost_ got a little choked up when Sue hugged Becky at the end, but that moment should’ve had a buildup that made it put me into tears. It didn’t. Juxtaposing Sue’s emotional storyline with Jesse’s asinine one ruined it. Then the finale… what’s the point? The original songs were horrid (and as pointed out by others here, nonsensical). The character moments were either things we’ve seen before or horrifically out of character (the Cats fiasco, Mr. Schue’s “chaperoning”, Quinn’s “plan”). We knew they’d lose because there’s no story for senior year if they win. As Jman said, Sam/Mercedes seemed like they spun the wheel of relationships again, and those were the only two available. What happened? Is there really nothing left to be done with these characters? Right now, if I stick with the show, I’m pretty much tuning in for the one-liners. Mostly Sue, Britney and Santana’s. As I described it to my wife, “boredom, boredom, chuckle, boredom, boredom, guffaw, boredom” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-2-22-new-york-season-finale-open-spoilers/583077.md?page=2)