# Glee: 3.08 "Hold on to Sixteen" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 7, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320 "2011-12-07T00:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/1 "2011-12-07T00:18:21Z")
Sam’s back and working as a male stipper. 🙂 I don’t care what else happens this episode. [ul] [li]ABC (The Jackson 5)[/li][li]Control (Janet Jackson)[/li][li]Man in the Mirror (Michael Jackson)[/li][li]Red Solo Cup (Toby Keith)[/li][li]I Will Survive (Gloria Gaynor)[/li][li]Survivor (Destiny’s Child)[/li][li]Buenos Aires (Evita)[/li][li]We Are Young (Fun)[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/2 "2011-12-07T01:14:44Z")
I wonder how the Jacksons and the “survive” theme will be introduced. And if Sam was giving lapdances at a club within 400 miles of me I would just go ahead and have my paychecks direct deposited into his garter. (If Blaine was then I’d do likewise AND go ahead and max out my credit cards and any credit card offers.) Actually, while waiting for the episode, if you could get a lapdance from any cast member of GLEE, which would it be? My two votes are above, but the nice thing about this game is you can play regardless of whether you’re hetero or non. (Assume we’re talking about the 18+ actors, not their 18- characters, though Will and any other adult character you wish to include can also count.) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/3 "2011-12-07T01:15:14Z")
Of all the fucking channels on my cable to go out now. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![limegreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@limegreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/limegreen)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/4 "2011-12-07T02:27:14Z")
How did New Directions get 3 songs to the girls’ 2, and the new group’s 1? Fishy, isn’t it? And by the way, Sam is nowhere redneck enough to pull off “Red Solo Cup”. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/5 "2011-12-07T02:37:35Z")
Sorry \*\*alphaboi867 \*\*-- if it makes you feel better, the strip club sequence was brief and didn’t seem any more explicit than last year’s locker room sequences. (I did think it was odd that Finn considered the sight of stripper Sam so traumatic when he must have seen him nude or semi-nude all the time when they were on the football team together.) I had some major real-life problems come up today and was seriously distracted for much of the episode, but all the musical numbers seemed good. Santana and Brittany’s little moment holding hands was better than anything that happened last week. I liked how pleased Harmony was with 3rd place. I was also happy to see the end of multi-episode several plots I hadn’t cared for much to begin with, although it struck me as rather forced. I may have missed some of the nuances, but it seemed like everyone who was angry or behaving unreasonably suddenly decided to be nice and patch things up. Quinn’s change of heart seemed so abrupt that I actually thought until the end that it was going to turn out to be another scheme of hers. I’m glad it wasn’t, but if she was going to suddenly come to her senses then I wish it had happened back in “Mash Off”. The sole exception to everyone making nice was Sebastian, who to my surprise _didn’t_ show up at the end of the episode to apologize to Kurt for trying to seduce Blaine and announce that he was now in a committed relationship with Karofsky. I guess this means we’ll be seeing more of this season’s dullest new character. On the plus side, my _Fight Club_ theory is now basically canon. The season will probably end with Kurt’s horrified realization that Blaine plans to use their trip to DC for Nationals as an opportunity to blow up the US Capitol, followed by his even more horrified realization that Blaine is actually Kurt’s other personality. Also, he’s been sleeping with Sebastian for months. > [@limegreen](#): > > How did New Directions get 3 songs to the girls’ 2, and the new group’s 1? Fishy, isn’t it? And by the way, Sam is nowhere redneck enough to pull off “Red Solo Cup”. IIRC every competition episode has shown different numbers of songs per team, so I take it we just don’t get to see all the songs they “really” performed. I don’t think Aural Enthusiasm performed onscreen at all in the first season finale, yet they took second place in the end. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/6 "2011-12-07T03:46:08Z")
I guess we have to assume that other schools competed during the commercials, because it seems odd that there were 3 teams, and two from the same school (who now have the legal minimum number of participants) Also, has the fact that Summer? (the rich sponsor’s daugher) sings worse than I do been glossed over (does she just lip sync?) Mike’s dad’s conversion seemed too big / fast to me. I would have preferred him to say “You are very talented and clearly love performing, but you should at least have a backup plan” And no Sue! I liked the competition songs though. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/7 "2011-12-07T04:33:53Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I liked how pleased Harmony was with 3rd place. 3rd place out of three. Yippee? :dubious: Why was Blaine so upset that Sam was a stripper and how’d he even find out? I can’t believe that Red Solo Cup thing is a real song. Brittany’s song about her hairband had more depth. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/8 "2011-12-07T04:45:23Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > I guess we have to assume that other schools competed during the commercials, because it seems odd that there were 3 teams, and two from the same school (who now have the legal minimum number of participants) Based on this episode I can only guess that choirs are shuffled around for every Sectionals competition and the only real rule is that there are always three teams. New Directions has competed in three Sectionals competitions now and they’ve been up against different teams every time. We were explicitly told this week that the Dalton Academy Warblers were in a different competition this year, although the real reason for this is obviously so the writers can irritate me by dragging out the Sebastian plot until Regionals.\* > [@](#): > > Also, has the fact that Summer? (the rich sponsor’s daugher) sings worse than I do been glossed over (does she just lip sync?) IIRC, Mercedes and Santana made it clear pretty early on that Sugar was going to sing quietly in the background while they handled all the solos. The bigger mystery to me is what happened to the rest of the Troubletones when Mercedes, Santana, Brittany, and Sugar rejoined New Directions. > [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Why was Blaine so upset that Sam was a stripper and how’d he even find out? I don’t think he was upset that Sam was a stripper so much as he was upset that Sam was trying to incorporate stripper-esque moves into their act, and perhaps more importantly that Sam’s suggestions were being taken seriously while Finn kept dismissing Blaine’s. And while I think I missed a lot of the dialogue in the Sam storyline, I doubt it’s a secret what he’s been up to; if he didn’t tell everyone himself then Rachel and/or Finn probably blabbed. That said, Blaine’s line about how he wasn’t “for sale” seemed a bit over the top. Perhaps Sebastian has been using their secret online chat sessions to try to talk him into doing porn or prostituting himself via Craigslist. \*I don’t object to a Kurt/Blaine love triangle – if the _Glee_ writers are going to keep falling back on love triangles again and again then they might as well have a gay one – but they really should have come up with someone who was a more credible threat. Sebastian just seems like a boring creep who thinks he’s a player, and since he looks almost exactly like Kurt I can’t even see a shallow reason for Blaine to risk his existing relationship. But I have the sinking feeling that Blaine is going to wind up fooling around with Sebastian just because the writers can’t think of a better way to generate drama. The in-world justification will probably involve Kurt graduating a year ahead of Blaine (“You were just going to go off to NYADA and leave me anyway!”), but that too was obviously contrived by the writers to create conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/9 "2011-12-07T13:56:26Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Actually, while waiting for the episode, if you could get a lapdance from any cast member of GLEE, which would it be? 1. Mike Chang. 2. Mike Chang. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/10 "2011-12-07T17:10:44Z")
So why would a choir choose Buenos Aires? One lead singer and a bunch of dancers in the background - for this you go to choir rehearsal every day?! No wonder they came in third. And both of the McKinley High groups kinda sucked for a Regional. Even the worst group on Sing Off would be better than those lame performances. The silver dresses looked like they were made with Glad bags and duct tape; the white sport coats made them look like cheesy waiters at a wedding reception in the VFW hall. And dad suddenly being all about his son’s dancing after seeing that performance? Seriously? Geez - even I would have said maybe med school would be a wiser idea. His dancing was ho-hum at best and would only get him a part on Broadway if he slept with the choreographer. If you are going to bring in dad and dazzle him, at least give the son a real show stopping dance number! ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/11 "2011-12-07T18:13:20Z")
Every time I think I’m done with this show, they pull me back in with a line like, “You smell like Craigslist.” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/12 "2011-12-07T18:42:53Z")
> [@lisacurl](#): > > Every time I think I’m done with this show, they pull me back in with a line like, “You smell like Craigslist.” Second place to “You have what I like to call ‘Rich White Girl’ problems.” ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/13 "2011-12-07T19:05:58Z")
The Unitards. Wait, let me say it again - The Unitards. That’s why I keep watching, in spite of this season mostly being a hot mess. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/14 "2011-12-07T20:31:02Z")
This is what I don’t get. Sam’s dad has a job, his (loving, united) family has a house, and he _chooses_ to work in a well paying job stripping rather than a minimum wage job… And yet… He decides that: Having to face months of prejudice and disgrace as a pregnant teen Being thrown out of your home by your parents for becoming pregnant Having given up your child for adoption Being humiliated publically about how you used to look Having to confront said child’s adoptive mother on a daily basis at your school Having your parents’s marriage implode Are “Rich White girl problems”. Sorry, what? Dude, get over yourself. “My family isn’t as rich as I want us to be and we had to live in a motel for a while” is not in the same league as the stuff Quinn went through. Oh yeah- second the Mike Chang lapdance. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/15 "2011-12-07T20:37:36Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > The bigger mystery to me is what happened to the rest of the Troubletones when Mercedes, Santana, Brittany, and Sugar rejoined New Directions. Well, they did say they were Cheerios - maybe they’re going to have a mysterious (and unaired…and unmentioned, for that matter) cheerleading accident that prevents them from competing again? And seeing how none of them did any particularly professional dance moves, like the Unitards’ background “singers” did (no word yet on whether there were any _So You Think You Can Dance?_ finalists included), I wonder if any of them were taken from the “also-rans” from _The Glee Project_. (After all, the original callbacks were based pretty much entirely on singing ability.) > [@DMark](#): > > So why would a choir choose Buenos Aires? One lead singer and a bunch of dancers in the background - for this you go to choir rehearsal every day?! Remember, that would not have been the only song they performed, and if you have just one “star” (e.g. Jesse St. James on Vocal Adrenaline), you want at least one song that showcases him/her. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/16 "2011-12-07T21:01:41Z")
I feel kind of sorry for Damian McGinty. He won that Glee reality show contest that got him onto the show, but on most episodes he’s only had a couple of lines- not really enough to break out or become any kind of fan fave. Now I understand they’re about to move him aside for the other winner, [Samuel Larsen](http://www.tvline.com/2011/08/glee-project-samuel-larsen-interview-oxygen-ryan-murphy/), who, being more “teen idol” in looks, is probably going to be given better dialogue and songs. Larsen is from a conservative Christian background and has said his mother is uncomfortable with the show because of the gay plotlines. I wonder if they’re going to consequently put him smack in the middle of a Blaine-Kurt-Sebastien plotline or have him completely off to the side of it. Speaking of Sebastien, I agree with Kurt’s Craigbook aroma comment and can’t see what Blaine would see in him. He’s not particularly attractive (other than in the young/slim/no facial abnormalities way) and his personality is total douche. The only things he could really offer Blaine that Kurt couldn’t or wouldn’t would be things too graphic and specific to be addressed on an early primetime family show (i.e. I don’t think they’ll have an episode called “Roll Over Beethoven” or license _My Sharona_ and borrow the _AHS_ rubber suit for an episode). Larsen may have actually been the better choice for that role since he’s much better looking and has the dreadlocks for “rebel” vibe. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/17 "2011-12-07T21:14:59Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Actually, while waiting for the episode, if you could get a lapdance from any cast member of GLEE, which would it be? 1. Karofsky 2. Puck ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/18 "2011-12-07T21:34:06Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > 1. Karofsky > 2. Puck Karofsky? Really? Is it the bear cub thing? ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/19 "2011-12-07T21:35:56Z")
I feel sorry for Damian mcGinty, too. The nice thing about him is he actually looks young enough that he could be in HS for a couple more years. If they hadn’t made him an exchange student, he might’ve had a chance at cast member. I wonder if they’re planning to move the runner-up girl into a cast role. She mentioned she’s only a Sophomore, so she could potentially be on the show another couple years. I kept waiting for a breakout dance from Mike Chang since his dad was inthe audience, but they didn’t give it to him. StG ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320/20 "2011-12-07T21:50:08Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Karofsky? Really? Is it the bear cub thing? Oh, yeah. I’d actually rather do Karofsky than Puck if I were really, really forced to just pick one. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-3-08-hold-on-to-sixteen-open-spoilers/605320.md?page=2)