# Glee 4/21 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2010, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835 "2010-04-21T06:37:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/41 "2010-04-22T03:11:07Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > And okay, Emma’s being a nervous virgin at her age is not as common, but it’s a cause for _therapy_? For fuck’s sake! (no pun intended). Ehh, I’m pretty sure he was suggesting therapy for her vast array of other issues, such as being a huge germophobe. ---
**Author:** ![TheTerribleTako](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@TheTerribleTako](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTerribleTako)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/42 "2010-04-22T04:10:26Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > Did anyone notice the titles of this week’s Counselor pamphlets? “Help! I’m In Love With My Stepfather!” and “Breastfeeding: How Long Really Is Too Long?” > > StG I love those pamphlets. I also noticed “Radon: The Silent Killer,” “Proper Wiping: 1-2-3,” “My mom has bipolar and she won’t stop yelling” and something that starts with “Yuk! My Privates…” which is probably a winner as well. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/43 "2010-04-22T04:16:33Z")
> [@TheTerribleTako](#): > > As for music program, we’re not shown any other music programs at McKinley High except for the glee club, which got taken over by Mr. Schue this year. The associated instrumental players (I think that’s the stage band you’re talking about) that seem to pop up all over the place were given a cursory explanation in the beginning, i.e; “Oh look, guys, I got some band members to come play for us.” As the season went on though, they just seemed to materialize. They also seem to be telepathic since there’s at least one incident where they started playing the music _without_ anyone telling them what to play! In one of the early episodes, it’s mentioned that Artie got the rhythm section of the glee club from the school’s jazz band. Also, the marching band appeared in this episode with the Chererios. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/44 "2010-04-22T12:07:40Z")
> [@TheTerribleTako](#): > > I love those pamphlets. I also noticed “Radon: The Silent Killer,” “Proper Wiping: 1-2-3,” “My mom has bipolar and she won’t stop yelling” and something that starts with “Yuk! My Privates…” which is probably a winner as well. They haven’t topped “There’s a Hair Down There” yet. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/45 "2010-04-22T14:14:57Z")
I really liked the 3 simultaneous duets of “Like a Virgin.” It was really clever to bookend it with the same shots in the mirror. The dialogue had its usual nasty edge, so I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/46 "2010-04-22T14:27:14Z")
I came in to say that I hate auto-tune. I’m a fan of live music because I like the energy that is captured playing live, plus it separates real talent from fake talent because it’s not over-produced. I liked the sound of last year much better. Now all the songs sound like Ford commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/47 "2010-04-22T15:58:44Z")
Almost forgot: “I’m dating this guy. He’s really cute. He plays on my sister’s soccer team. He’s seven.” ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/48 "2010-04-22T16:21:19Z")
Especially followed by her advice that the way to keep a man is to take his virginity. ---
**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/49 "2010-04-22T16:36:06Z")
Did anyone else notice that the Rachel/Finn virginity thing ended just like \*Little Darlings \*- the 1980 Kristy McNichol/Tatum O’Neal film? One says they did lose it, but didn’t. One didn’t, but said they did. I know it shows my age, but it was the first thought that popped in my head. Thought it was interesting that all the girls were wearing purple nighties too. I too was wondering about Quinn’s story line. She’s definitely been back-burnered along with Puck. And she does not seem to show that much at all. I think the whole Artie/Tina drama was just so they could get them back together again. I think people liked them together and this was a quick fix. Has anyone else gotten the soundtracks? I’ve listened to it a lot lately - it’s very addictive. ---
**Author:** ![infinitii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@infinitii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/infinitii)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/50 "2010-04-22T17:03:40Z")
> [@melodyharmonius](#): > > Has anyone else gotten the soundtracks? I’ve listened to it a lot lately - it’s very addictive. I’ve gotten all of them so far, as well as the few tracks that are download-only (from itunes of course, but I got mine from Amazon). While I like the Rachel’s singing OK, they tend to use the same few people in way too many songs, so I really like when they let someone else sing. With that in mind, the ones I re-listen to the most are: Quinn’s “Papa Don’t Preach” Rachel’s “Don’t Rain on My Parade” Tina’s “True Colors” Rachel’s “Crush” Emma’s “I Could Have Danced All Night” (I got a Target exclusive with this on it) Rachel and Kurt’s “Defying Gravity” Puck’s “Sweet Caroline” Artie’s “Dancing With Myself” and then the ensembles’ “Don’t Stop Believin” and “Keep Holding On”, and maybe a few others. I might add “Like a Virgin” and “4 Minutes” from the latest episode to that list, but I’ll have to see. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/51 "2010-04-22T17:45:26Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > \ > But that gives us moments [like this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2FMdOLyRcA), so I’m not complaining. That was awesome, as was [the football team doing the same dance.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Ow9hAD_Jc&feature=PlayList&p=D8E74A582B2D4ABC&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=8) 😃 (It gets good around 3:00 - sorry about the tv feed - I couldn’t find a better copy.) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/52 "2010-04-22T22:29:04Z")
The cast members in that video were asked to perform the Single Ladies dance at one promotional event. It’s an extremely rude thing to do- the same really as asking an accountant to look over your 1040 or a lawyer whether you can sue your landlord when they’re off-duty- but [they were very cool about it](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOqRHr6ttM). (Since most of the kids were complete unknowns before they’re still high on the fame.) I’ve actually read a couple of references to Chris Colfer (who plays Kurt) in magazines as _transgendered_ or _gender bending_, and while I really do mean it when I say “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” it’s irritating that the writers have no clue what that means evidently. Chris/Kurt- both actor and character- are gay males- effeminate perhaps and with high voices, but neither actor nor character has expressed a desire to live as or become a woman any more than Adam Lambert (about whom similar things are written) has. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/53 "2010-04-23T05:24:25Z")
An awful lot of self-awareness in this episode: Sue, writing in her journal: “I can’t stand hearing that name, even in voice over.” Mercedes: “I don’t get solos, you just bring me in at the end to wail on some notes!” The new guy: “I thought we could talk about it…then sing about it!” Pretty sure there were a couple more references to the cast being aware they are a sitcom. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/54 "2010-04-23T06:04:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’ve actually read a couple of references to Chris Colfer (who plays Kurt) in magazines as _transgendered_ or _gender bending_, and while I really do mean it when I say “Not that there’s anything wrong with that” it’s irritating that the writers have no clue what that means evidently. Chris/Kurt- both actor and character- are gay males- effeminate perhaps and with high voices, but neither actor nor character has expressed a desire to live as or become a woman any more than Adam Lambert (about whom similar things are written) has. Transgendered is not the same thing as transsexual. Gender refers to male and female social roles, while sex refers to male and female biology. And it’s apparently acceptable to refer to people who do not fall within their normal gender roles as [gender queers.](http://www.genderqueerrevolution.com/) Calling an effeminate male gender bending or transgendered is pretty much on point. I thought all trans-whatevers where the same until someone had to explain to me what he meant when he was talking about queer children. He meant kids with gender identity issues. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/55 "2010-04-23T12:30:46Z")
> [@ThirdCultureKid](#): > > So I was watching last night’s Madonna-centric episode of Glee, and I had to chuckle during the closing rendition of “Just Like a Prayer”. > > For some reason, I always thought that song was about some, um, midnight oral lovin’. “Down on my knees, I’m gonna take you there” etc etc.. > > Am I wrong? ‘‘Like a Prayer’’ IMHO is about falling in love with someone so hard that it’s a religious experience. (She has other songs with a similar theme, such as ‘‘Nothing Fails’’ on American Life (I’m not religious/but I feel so moved/Makes me wanna pray) And yes, those are references to sex. The song is about having a deep spiritual connection and fucking. The two are not, of course, mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/56 "2010-04-23T17:44:21Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > An awful lot of self-awareness in this episode: > > Sue, writing in her journal: “I can’t stand hearing that name, even in voice over.” > Mercedes: “I don’t get solos, you just bring me in at the end to wail on some notes!” > The new guy: “I thought we could talk about it…then sing about it!” > > Pretty sure there were a couple more references to the cast being aware they are a sitcom. And that’s part of the magic of the show for me - it’s not completely linear, and it’s not completely rational. They leave themselves open for kind of doing what they please. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/57 "2010-04-23T19:51:15Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > ‘‘Like a Prayer’’ IMHO is about falling in love with someone so hard that it’s a religious experience. I thought it was about selling Pepsi? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/58 "2010-04-23T20:00:43Z")
Some people really, really love Pepsi. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/59 "2010-04-23T20:35:58Z")
A blip on E! said that Madonna was highly complimentary of the episode and mentioned Sue Sylvester (Jane Lynch) and Kurt (Chris Colfer) specifically, which of course has them walking on air. By all accounts I’ve read Jane Lynch is one of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet in person, incidentally. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835/60 "2010-04-23T20:52:49Z")
Lynch was terrific (ain’t she always? love her in everything she does!) and her voice was divine. She was my favorite part of the show, and a big reason I’ll be back next time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-4-21/536835.md?page=4)