# Glee: 5.03 "The Quarterback" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931 "2013-10-10T23:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/21 "2013-10-12T01:52:53Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Good gravy, she all but raped Blaine Warbler last season. Downward spiral doesn’t begin to cover that girl. Up until this episode I could believe that the writers perhaps sometimes didn’t realize how Tina was coming across. In the episode where she molested Blaine it seemed like we were expected to feel pity rather than horror, although I was definitely feeling horror. But this time it seemed like we were really intended to believe that Tina is now a worse person than Santana, or even Sue. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Is it in the licensing that they can’t make any changes to the lyrics, even a minor one like gender? It’s my understanding that when a song is licensed for a cover recording then the cover-er cannot make significant changes to the lyrics, but I think gender-swapping is normally considered a minor change that doesn’t require additional permissions. I’d guess that not changing the lyrics might have more to do with potential MP3 sales. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/22 "2013-10-12T12:53:13Z")
Didn’t realize Tina’s character had gone so haywire since I stopped watching. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/23 "2013-10-12T15:08:54Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Didn’t realize Tina’s character had gone so haywire since I stopped watching. I don’t think your abandonment is entirely to blame; society and the liberal media play a part as well. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/24 "2013-10-12T15:24:27Z")
Thanks, that makes me feel a little better. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/25 "2013-10-12T15:28:44Z")
A bit off topic, but, have they ever explained Tina Cohen Chang’s name? And since they dated I’m going to assume she and Mike Chang aren’t related. (I know Chang’s not an uncommon surname in China, but I’m guessing it is in Lima.) Nice seeing Mike again; too bad he didn’t dance a farewell. Harry Shum’s moves are truly an art form. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/26 "2013-10-12T16:11:05Z")
IIRC Mark Chinese-American and Tina is Jewish-Korean-American. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/27 "2013-10-12T16:12:01Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > A bit off topic, but, have they ever explained Tina Cohen Chang’s name? And since they dated I’m going to assume she and Mike Chang aren’t related. (I know Chang’s not an uncommon surname in China, but I’m guessing it is in Lima.) Her last name has never been explained. I think they did once throw in a “no relation” comment when she was dating Mike. Chang is both a Chinese and a Korean family name, and while IIRC Mike was explicitly identified as Chinese-American in season three I don’t think Tina’s specific ethnic background has ever been addressed. Since actress Jenna Ushkowitz is Korean and Tina sang in Korean when they performed “Gangnam Style” it may be that Tina comes from a Korean Chang family rather than a Chinese one. But I’ve probably put more thought into it just now than the writers have. > [@](#): > > Nice seeing Mike again; too bad he didn’t dance a farewell. Harry Shum’s moves are truly an art form. I felt really happy to see Mike again, even though I don’t think he even had a line in this episode and he had been around several times last season. But seeing him in the choir room reminded me of a time when this was a show I didn’t feel bad about watching. It’s also been a relief to have the season four newbies left largely in the background these past three episodes. Nothing against the performers, but their stupid, boring characters and their endless stupid, boring storylines are the main reason why season four went wrong for me. I have not missed them at all. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/28 "2013-10-12T19:57:21Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Up until this episode I could believe that the writers perhaps sometimes didn’t realize how Tina was coming across. In the episode where she molested Blaine it seemed like we were expected to feel pity rather than horror, although I was definitely feeling horror. But this time it seemed like we were really intended to believe that Tina is now a worse person than Santana, or even Sue. Or Becky. Or Terri! :eek: (Wow they really do have a lot of nasty women characters on this show when you think about it) ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/29 "2013-10-12T20:46:15Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Or Becky. Or Terri! :eek: > > (Wow they really do have a lot of nasty women characters on this show when you think about it) Yeah. I feel that’s another thing that increasingly became a problem as the series went on, but I’ll save that rant for another time. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/30 "2013-10-13T01:39:22Z")
I’ll admit, I found it moving. There were some flat notes, but for the most part it you could feel the grief of the cast. In a way, some of the scenes were almost too personal. I did think they should’ve either used a pic of Finn in his letterman’s jacket or in a Glee outfit for the first song - generic football Finn wasn’t who they were eulogizing. StG ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/31 "2013-10-17T15:26:48Z")
It looks like Monteith’s threw an even bigger wrench in Ryan Murphy’s plans that we thought; he’s [ending](http://tv.yahoo.com/news/ryan-murphy-glee-end-next-season-reworked-series-132706813.html) Glee after season six. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/32 "2013-10-17T18:03:47Z")
I’m really ok with that; it’s past it’s prime. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/33 "2013-10-18T00:18:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > It looks like Monteith’s threw an even bigger wrench in Ryan Murphy’s plans that we thought; he’s [ending](http://tv.yahoo.com/news/ryan-murphy-glee-end-next-season-reworked-series-132706813.html) Glee after season six. _Glee_ was renewed through season six before Monteith died, and it was announced at the time that the series would very likely not extend beyond that time. So Monteith’s death probably had little if anything to do with the decision to end the show after six seasons, although as the article indicates it has drastically changed Murphy’s plans for the final season. I suspect that the end he mentions having in mind in the article is the same one Rachel described in “The Quarterback”, where she’d be a Broadway star and he’d be a schoolteacher and she’d come back to Lima for him. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/34 "2013-10-18T00:28:15Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > It looks like Monteith’s threw an even bigger wrench in Ryan Murphy’s plans that we thought; he’s [ending](http://tv.yahoo.com/news/ryan-murphy-glee-end-next-season-reworked-series-132706813.html) Glee after season six. Spoiler tagged for likely being in bad taste… Who do we have to off to get him to end it after 5 instead? ---
**Author:** ![Jennyrosity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@Jennyrosity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennyrosity)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931/35 "2013-10-20T21:10:24Z")
This just aired in the UK. I did find it moving - Burt and Carol’s scene especially - Carol’s speech made me sob. And I thought the actor who plays Sam looked genuinely devastated a lot of the time, I wonder if the actors were good friends in IRL? I though Puck’s scenes were dreadful, but I can understand why if they were first takes and he was too upset to do more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-03-the-quarterback-open-spoilers/670931.md?page=1)