# Glee 5/1: Choke **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587 "2012-05-02T00:26:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/21 "2012-05-03T16:23:47Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > So, predictions of how Rachel does get accepted to the school, so they can continue with plans for this spin-off series: > > 1. She up and goes to NYC, stalks Whoopi until she gets another chance and then knocks it out of the park. > 2. Her two Gay Dads once had a three-way with the director of the school and blackmail him to allow their daughter in, plus they enlist the help of Kurt’s dad who makes it an Act of Congress to get her into the school. > 3. Whoopi has a heart attack and Rachel gets to audition again for the new director of the program who is - Mr. Shue! > 4. Kurt gets accepted and refuses to go unless Rachel gets in too so everyone just says “OK”. > 5. It was all just a dream and the real audition will be next week. Or Rachel accepts that Whoopi was right, you can’t choke on Broadway. Even though you’re great at little high school events, the big time may be too much for you. Rachel gets a job at McDonalds. The end. ---
**Author:** ![Noelq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noelq/32/16438_2.png) [@Noelq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noelq)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/22 "2012-05-03T16:43:55Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > So, predictions of how Rachel does get accepted to the school, so they can continue with plans for this spin-off series: > > 1. She up and goes to NYC, stalks Whoopi until she gets another chance and then knocks it out of the park. > 2. Her two Gay Dads once had a three-way with the director of the school and blackmail him to allow their daughter in, plus they enlist the help of Kurt’s dad who makes it an Act of Congress to get her into the school. > 3. Whoopi has a heart attack and Rachel gets to audition again for the new director of the program who is - Mr. Shue! > 4. Kurt gets accepted and refuses to go unless Rachel gets in too so everyone just says “OK”. > 5. It was all just a dream and the real audition will be next week. You forgot the way that most horrifies me – Her 18 bars were so spectacular she gets in anyway! ::shudder:: ---
**Author:** ![Jennyrosity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@Jennyrosity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennyrosity)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/23 "2012-05-03T20:51:25Z")
Well I must be watching a different show to you guys, because I’m enjoying it and finding it really funny. I’m devastated for poor Rachel, though think it was inevitable after the amount of pressure she put on herself, and while it’s sad that Bieste couldn’t have a happy marriage, I liked that the domestic violence victim wasn’t an obvious “victim”. I loved the boys teaming up to help Puck too - what was Artie’s line after their song - “Great, now what rhymes with pre-industrial economics?”. That made me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/24 "2012-05-03T22:07:04Z")
I wonder if there is a Coach Bieste twist that we haven’t seen yet? The Black Eye that she got was actually Cooter fighting back. In other words, she is the one that is beating up Cooter. I doubt it, and I hope not. Coach Bieste is one of my favorite characters. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/25 "2012-05-03T22:07:38Z")
This show has become just plain dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/26 "2012-05-03T22:20:42Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I wonder if there is a Coach Bieste twist that we haven’t seen yet? The Black Eye that she got was actually Cooter fighting back. In other words, she is the one that is beating up Cooter. Or maybe it’s a Rose for Emily situation. She never actually eloped with him; he’s dead in her upstairs bedroom, and she gave herself the black eye while acting out his perceived anger at her. Bieste is another example of the show’s schizophrenia: in her first episode when she was introduced as new coach she was a bigger bitch than Sue, so much Sue and Will became allies against her. By the end of the same episode she was a complete total softy Bieste, and utterly bewildered as to why Will and Sue hated her (woman- watch the beginning of the episode!). Now she’s one of the good guys and friends with Sue as well who has hated her since the beginning… this isn’t making characters complex, it’s just making them inconsistent. > [@Lamia](#): > > When Puck’s dad showed up (for about 30 seconds) I thought it was going to be revealed that he’d been abusive towards Puck’s mother I’m glad that wasn’t it, especially given the way they’d have handled it: PUCK’S DAD: I haven’t seen you in five years, but I just came by to say, I used to beat your mother. But we couldn’t live together, and you’re the man of the house now, so you need to beat her for me. And give me five hundred bucks. Speaking of, I don’t think even a teenager thinks $500 is going to make much of a dent in moving to L.A., and he said it was most of the money he’d saved to move there (with the implication he was planning to move there almost immediately). So Puck will be at McKinley for another year, then some (Blaine and Sam[?] and Artie) are juniors anyway. Is it established who is and who isn’t graduating? My understanding is that the Kurt-Rachel spinoff is just a rumor. If so that’s really bad, because WITH new writers (not Ryan Murphy et al but actualy writers) and a more adult plot of two actual small town teens in NYC it would have some great potential. (If realistic, Kurt would probably have a major slut phase like so many gay kids do when they leave the sticks, and Rachel would need _real_ therapy when she realizes just how many ultra talented people there are who are struggling.) ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/27 "2012-05-03T23:07:43Z")
> [@Stauderhorse](#): > > The Puck storyline was meh. This show expects us to care for its 20-odd main characters even if they haven’t been mentioned in weeks. I’m not going to suddenly care about Puck if the show hasn’t given me reason to. It’s like Glee is insecure about its characters and keeps jumping back and forth between them in hopes that we’ll be entertained. The scene with Puck and his dad literally went nowhere and served no purpose. Though I did think it was realistic that he failed his test. Studying montages don’t solve everything. Puck has been more present in recent episodes than, say, Quinn, and he has mentioned his intention to start a pool cleaning business in LA several times, so I can get behind the _idea_ of doing a Puck storyline involving his post-HS plans (although it should not have been in this episode). But the way this storyline was actually executed seemed either slapped together or badly edited down from another script. As you say, the scene with his dad was totally unnecessary. It would have made just as much sense to have Puck go straight from his unsuccessful attempt to vamp the Geography teacher to taking Finn up on his offer of study help. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Speaking of, I don’t think even a teenager thinks $500 is going to make much of a dent in moving to L.A., and he said it was most of the money he’d saved to move there (with the implication he was planning to move there almost immediately). Well, Puck is kind of an idiot, so who knows what he thought he was going to do with that $500. That is part of the problem with this storyline – it’s hard to feel sorry for Puck when his half-baked plan was obviously doomed from the beginning. While it’s tough to make it on Broadway, I’d say Rachel’s dream of stardom is actually far more realistic than Puck’s plan to start a pool cleaning business in LA. She’s hardworking and talented, while Puck doesn’t seem to have any understanding of how to operate a real business or even much ability to plan ahead. His success in Lima seems to have been largely because he has little local competition in terms of either pool-cleaners or cougar-servicing gigolos. This would not be the case in Los Angeles. > [@](#): > > So Puck will be at McKinley for another year, then some (Blaine and Sam[?] and Artie) are juniors anyway. Is it established who is and who isn’t graduating? I don’t think there’s been any indication that any of the seniors except Puck are in danger of not graduating, although it’s quite plausible that Brittany is failing her classes as well. The established seniors are Finn, Rachel, Kurt, Mercedes, Puck, Quinn, Santana, Brittany, and Mike. I’ll spoiler box this for the spoiler-phobic even though I’m not sure it accurately reflects what will really happen, but the _Glee_ graduation album is showing up for pre-order on iTunes and the cover image shows several of these seniors in caps and gowns:Finn, Mercedes, Santana, Rachel, Puck, Quinn, Mike, and Kurt. The established juniors are Blaine, Artie, and Tina. I don’t think Sam’s grade has been stated; he’s presumably 18 since he was working as a stripper, but since this is _Glee_ who knows? I assume Sugar, Irish Guy, and Dreadlocks Guy are all juniors or younger, but I don’t remember because I don’t care. > [@](#): > > My understanding is that the Kurt-Rachel spinoff is just a rumor. If so that’s really bad, because WITH new writers (not Ryan Murphy et al but actualy writers) and a more adult plot of two actual small town teens in NYC it would have some great potential. IIRC Murphy, et al, confirmed last summer that they had been in the early stages of planning a potential spin-off, but decided to put it on the back burner to focus on season three of _Glee_. I believe it was later declared dead, and Lea Michele, Chris Colfer, and Cory Monteith are all confirmed as being signed on for a fourth season of _Glee_. Which is too bad, as I agree that a NYC spin-off with Kurt and Rachel has much more potential to be good than, say, another season of _Glee_. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/28 "2012-05-03T23:21:35Z")
Are you sure Brittney is a senior? I thought she was a junior. Not that it seems to matter much, given how cavalier everyone is about disregarding previously established facts that become inconvenient. Where’d Rachel’s birth mom go, BTW? Last we saw her wasn’t she teaching at McKinley? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/29 "2012-05-03T23:45:10Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Are you sure Brittney is a senior? I thought she was a junior. Well, she’s senior class president. > [@](#): > > Where’d Rachel’s birth mom go, BTW? Last we saw her wasn’t she teaching at McKinley? She was a substitute, and IIRC she said in the Regionals episode that she was going to quit. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587/30 "2012-05-04T00:21:03Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > Well, she’s senior class president. Oh, right! :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glee-5-1-choke/620587.md?page=1)