# Glenn Beck shedding advertisers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 11, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112 "2009-08-11T21:44:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/61 "2009-08-13T03:52:28Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > That isn’t what he says at all. He says reparations serve no purpose. He’s more interested in addressing current inequities. There is no connection between his (very moderate) social justice philosophies and any kind of redress for slavery. Do you know what “reparations” means? I don’t think you do. > > He also continually tells young black people not to use history as an excuse not to succeed. I was worried to mention a pet theory of mine, but that article that \*\*emarkp \*\*posted shows that it was correct. We should not forget what IMHO was one of the best vaccines against fascism and Communism in America: The GI Bill. Many forget that after WWI soldiers that had little to no benefits created a lot of unrest. Protests turned violent in Washington and fears of revolution grew, of course if former soldiers got a raw deal it would not be surprising that the USA would end up like Russia; at the same time: from the extreme right it was likely that many of those former soldiers were also approached by the American elites to begin to set up a fascist putsch. Just after the end of WWII many feared the idea that either the extreme right or the left could get a hold of an even bigger army, that this time could be made out of 2.2 million disgruntled servicemen. Of course, the main reason offered for passing the GI Bill was that we needed to keep that force employed, but it is clear that one powerful reason why to pass it was to prevent massive unemployment, economic depression or social unrest. Guess why the bill was approved by just one vote? Because racist congressmen complained that also black soldiers were going to benefit too… Yes, my theory was that there was a racist component of the opposition to health care reform; however, I naively expected that this time it was not going to be a factor so I disregard it. However, the article from IBD is attempting to raise racist emotions. Like MeanOldLady said: the article is actually saying that the health plan is an “underhanded scheme to take money back from whitey and give it to black people”. It was bad enough that in reality the opponents of health reform are fighting to continue to limit the freedoms of the American worker. It is worse now when the opponents of health care reform resort to virtually the same tactics of the opponents of the GI Bill. One has to wonder how the opponents can have peace of mind and sleep soundly every night. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/62 "2009-08-13T04:34:01Z")
The understanding that the anger of the health care debate, anger that people can’t articulate, can’t point to specific realities as a cause, can’t resist reacting to deliberate lies being spread through the media, is really displaced anger due to the inability for anyone to directly express hated toward a black president is bubbling up into the mainsteam media. A segment on the evening news hinted at it badly. The follow-up segment was on the resurgence of white militant groups. A continuum is brewing. [http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/29/2009-07-29\_fox\_news\_glenn\_beck\_president\_barack\_obama\_is\_racist\_with\_deepseated\_hatred\_of\_w.html](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_fox_news_glenn_beck_president_barack_obama_is_racist_with_deepseated_hatred_of_w.html) > [@](#): > > Fox News Channel executives are distancing themselves from controversial — and popular — host Glenn Beck, who Tuesday morning branded President Obama a “racist.” > > The combustable Beck ignited a firestorm when, during a Tuesday morning appearance on FNC’s freewheeling “Fox and Friends,” he said the President’s reaction to the Henry Louis Gates Jr. arrest situation in Cambridge, Mass., suggested a “deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” > > To his credit, “Fox & Friends” co-host Brian Kilmeade — who recently had to apologize for comments he made about racial issues — immediately responded, saying that most of the faces people see of the Obama administration are white, such as spokesman Robert Gibbs or chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. > > “I’m not saying he doesn’t like white people. I’m saying he has a problem,” Beck responded. “This guy is, I believe, a racist.” The code words are being passed around at a rate that would have astonished the coded BBC references to the French Resistance. They are, admittedly, much simpler. Racist = black. Spending = socialism. Czars = diktats = Nazism. Deficits = taxes. End of the white majority = not our America. Those infiltrating town hall rallies have been thoroughly indoctrinated in code. That seems to be all they speak. As some post-interviews confirm, they have no idea why they’re angry, no idea of what’s in the [incomplete bill that the senators admit they haven’t finished because they out in the “real world” talking to "real people, expecting them to ask questions, not spew inarticulate renderings of the lies heard on TV talk shows, yet knowing that the crazier the yeller the better chance that exchange is the one the networks will use, not the patient explanations and crown control and fear- waning] but nevertheless gathering and gauging he lack of public support for the bill, which they said repeatedly that they haven’t read. Why should they have when when wily aides are willing to interpret for then, changing counseling into death panels and Medicaid into a money-losing failure, while extolling the magic of insurance compares who love them, while shouting and spewing hate against anyone who dares to disagree. Yes, we’ve now come from a complex discussion, negotiation, deal for the soul of health care and turned it so a lack of answers is a conspiracy theory and then all is lost. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/63 "2009-08-13T08:33:19Z")
**kaylasdad99** , thank goodness that font was disabled! I’m too old for that kind of fright! > [@](#): > > **Diogenes the Cynic** : Fox’s audience (which are still paltry compared to the broadcast networks) is mostly old people. They scare easy, and they respond well to to the xenophobia, racism, homophobia and armband religionism that Fox News sells. If you want to know exactly how offensive what you said is, try substituting the word “black” for the word “old.” If you want to know how stupid it is, think of David Simmons. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/64 "2009-08-13T13:20:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’ve never heard Beck say anything even remotely resembling hate on his radio show or his TV show. Cite? It seems as though you have a very different idea of hateful than I do. You don’t seem to find anything wrong with saying that allowing gays to marriage is an attack on churches, or that gays being allowed to serve openly in the military would derail the entire United States. Of course, not so much because their being itself is inherently wrong, but that their actions might interfere with the mission. You see, the gays will butt-fuck our troops so thoroughly that the terrorists will win. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/65 "2009-08-13T13:31:27Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > If I cared to put the effort into it I could find more, but they’d probably be dismissed as satire. And so [Poe’s Law](http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law) continues to expand its scope. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/66 "2009-08-13T13:45:30Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > Obama’s solution is socialism . . . :rolleyes: **IF ONLY!** From [“Obama’s Timid Liberalism,”](http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2009/obamas_timid_liberalism_11559) by Michael Lind: > [@](#): > > . . . Once upon a time in the United States, public goods – from retirement security and energy research to public roads – were provided by the government and paid for by taxes. As late as the Nixon administration, the provision of public goods by government was considered perfectly compatible with a robust market economy by so-called Modern Republicans like Eisenhower and Nixon as well as New Deal Democrats like Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson. In the intervening 40 years, however, free-market fundamentalists of the Chicago School have managed to change the debate, redefining “socialism” to mean not only public ownership of the means of production, but also public provision of public goods. ---
**Author:** ![Slade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@Slade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slade)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/67 "2009-08-13T15:43:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Do they go on to say what kind of health care he gets, living in the UK? Hawking’s own view is that he wouldn’t be alive without Britain’s National Health Service: “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS,” he told journalists recently. “I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.” > **[tollbit-host.com](http://ww38.tollbit-host.com/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html)** > > This domain may be for sale! ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/68 "2009-08-27T22:32:07Z")
I wonder if those advertisers [are regretting it](http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/27/big-beck-goes-over-3-million-viewers-beats-oreilly-in-demo-cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-august-26-2009/25541). “Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/69 "2009-08-27T22:42:51Z")
Given that they’re continuing to drop him (and in GEICO’s case, Fox as a whole), I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/70 "2009-08-27T22:54:33Z")
> [@emarkp](#): > > I wonder if those advertisers [are regretting it](http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/08/27/big-beck-goes-over-3-million-viewers-beats-oreilly-in-demo-cable-news-ratings-for-wednesday-august-26-2009/25541). > “Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009” Since he’s [just lost ten more advertisers](http://colorofchange.org/beck/more/release-10.html) (for a total of 46 to date), I doubt it. 3 million might sound like a lot, but it’s not enough to offset the millions more that these companies would risk alienating by continuing to associate themseves with Beck. Kraft wants to sell cheese and salad dressing, it doesn’t want to narrow itself to only selling to right wing crazies. ---
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/71 "2009-08-27T23:35:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Olbermann beats O’Reilly in the demographics that matter, by the way. Fox’s audience (which are still paltry compared to the broadcast networks) is mostly old people. They scare easy, and they respond well to to the xenophobia, racism, homophobia and armband religionism that Fox News sells. CITE? ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_Bowe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@Doug\_Bowe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_Bowe)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/72 "2009-08-27T23:48:10Z")
Sorry to post late, story of my life. I’m in the broadcast biddness and have been looking at radio sponsor rejections for at least 30 years, if not 40. Here’s a list from one group of sponsors. This is radio, mind you, but I can see the spill-over to cable: - These sponsors have requested their copy not air in controversial programming such as Dr. Laura, Tom Leykis, Lovelines, Bill Bennett, Lex and Terry, Larry Elder, Renan Show, Ken Hamblin, Madhouse, Neil Rogers, WQAM, Drew & Mike, Bob Grant, Michael Savage Show, Air America, Opie & Anthony, Mark Belling, G. Gordon Liddy, Don & Mike, Mancow, Rush Limbaugh and John & Ken. Spots should be moved to another acceptable daypart. Thank you for your cooperation. - Good Luck finding another daypart if you’re doing Air America. Anyway, I’m going to guess that Beck was under their radar until the “Obama is a racist” got headlines. Then those advertisers had him added to the list, too. Very standard. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112/73 "2009-08-28T01:40:01Z")
> [@Doug\_Bowe](#): > > Sorry to post late, story of my life. > > I’m in the broadcast biddness and have been looking at radio sponsor rejections for at least 30 years, if not 40. Here’s a list from one group of sponsors. This is radio, mind you, but I can see the spill-over to cable: > > - These sponsors have requested their copy not air in controversial programming such as Dr. Laura, Tom Leykis, Lovelines, Bill Bennett, Lex and Terry, Larry Elder, Renan Show, Ken Hamblin, Madhouse, Neil Rogers, WQAM, Drew & Mike, Bob Grant, Michael Savage Show, Air America, Opie & Anthony, Mark Belling, G. Gordon Liddy, Don & Mike, Mancow, Rush Limbaugh and John & Ken. Spots should be moved to another acceptable daypart. Thank you for your cooperation. > - > > Good Luck finding another daypart if you’re doing Air America. Not just Air America. Many AM radio stations are virtually 100% conservative talk in their formats. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-beck-shedding-advertisers/506112.md?page=3)