# Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally will not be political (& other Tea Party nonsense) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 26, 2010, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517 "2010-08-26T11:13:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/161 "2010-08-29T04:02:33Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > This isn’t North Korea where the govt controls the media. The facts are out there for anyone to see, but people just want to ignore them. Not all, just what were the primary outlets… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/162 "2010-08-29T04:03:47Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > > [@DanBlather](#): > > > > The facts are out there for anyone to see, but people just want to ignore them. > > That’s a little unfair. A lot of people don’t have the tools to distinguish facts. Not everybody can afford chalk. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/163 "2010-08-29T04:24:26Z")
> [@athelas](#): > > [Confirmation](http://www.pcworld.com/article/204373/google_maps_misplaces_lincoln_memorial.html?tk=hp_new) > > This is not the first time Google abused its near monopoly power for political purposes. Google maintains plausible deniability by making minor “mistakes” (sending Glenn Beck’s followers to the wrong place, turning Pat Buchanan into a unperson in the Prompts for awhile, and so forth). Misplacing the Lincoln Memorial is, of course, not a mistake, it’s, at best, a prank. I don’t know whether these dirty tricks are caused merely by individuals at Google abusing their authority, or whether Google, normally a most methodical company, is testing what it can get away with politically. Jumping the gun a bit, aren’t we? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/164 "2010-08-29T04:37:28Z")
That fiat againts signs and “politics”, that was pretty shrewd of Glen’s handlers. Without the crazy ass signs, there aren’t images of crazy ass white folks with scary signs. Makes everybody appear more normal. Of course, from my perspective, they _already_ looked normal and that’s the fucking problem, but I digress… Second of all, it doesn’t remind the participants that not each and every one of them shares the same priorities. They share the same politics, roughly, but not the same priorities. And I doubt more than one in ten has any idea that they are wildly opposed to net neutrality, the memo from the grassroots hasn’t arrived in the grassroots. Score one for the Forces of Darkness. I think this one worked for them. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/165 "2010-08-29T04:56:48Z")
> [@athelas](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > Don’t use Google. That’ll learn em. > > About as useful as greenies whining about boycotting Exxon, except oil is a fungible good. One-track mind, lefty activists. So, a market-based approach is the province of whining greenies and one-track mind lefties? I guess your approach is just plain-old whining then? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/166 "2010-08-29T06:05:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’ve been wondering: when does Mr. Beck think we lost our honor, exactly, and why? Who did it? Where was it lost? Can we get that honor back, or do we have to make some new honor? Not only that, but what makes him think he and the people at his rally are the ones to do the restoring? And how do they expect a rally to do it? That takes work, not a bunch of people standing around patting themselves on the back as being the only true patriots. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/167 "2010-08-29T06:34:21Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > I’ve been wondering: when does Mr. Beck think we lost our honor, exactly, and why? Who did it? Where was it lost? Can we get that honor back, or do we have to make some new honor? > > Not only that, but what makes him think he and the people at his rally are the ones to do the restoring? And how do they expect a rally to do it? That takes work, not a bunch of people standing around patting themselves on the back as being the only true patriots. I think witch hunts and propaganda come in somewhere along the line. This kind of “honor” is something you have to harass and shame folks into accepting. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/168 "2010-08-29T07:30:46Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > > There were no politicians there… > > The former governor of Alaska is not a politician? Sarah Palin is not a politician, she’s a pundit. She knows this as she started her “Make Me Rich” speaking tour and a new book practically the second she became the _former_ governor of Alaska. If she had any political ambitions, she wouldn’t have quit. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/169 "2010-08-29T08:34:25Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > If she had any political ambitions, she wouldn’t have quit. We’ll see about that. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/170 "2010-08-29T08:39:41Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > > If she had any political ambitions, she wouldn’t have quit. > > We’ll see about that. Oh don’t get me wrong, I would love for her to run for President. She would get creamed in a way that I’ve never seen (I was only 3 when Reagan nearly ran the table). If nothing else, I’d expect an amazing sequel to Game Change. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/171 "2010-08-29T10:43:06Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > And how do they expect a rally to do it? That takes work… This criticism could be leveled at every rally/march/demonstration ever held in the name of any cause, and it would be equally unfair in every case. Rallies are not _for_ accomplishing their stated goal… they’re for stating the goal. Rallying around it, so to speak. The test is _always_ what happens after. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/172 "2010-08-29T12:33:45Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > > [@DanBlather](#): > > > > The facts are out there for anyone to see, but people just want to ignore them. > > That’s a little unfair. A lot of people don’t have the tools to distinguish facts. A lot of people may not have computers but they probably have a computer available, or the ability to use a library, go to some meetings and listen, ask questions, etc. I think the larger problem is that to many people don’t want to know the facts. They facts are far to discouraging, and maybe demanding. I think they want to be told that what they already tend to believe is true. I suppose a lot of that is because our media that could educate and present the facts doesn’t seem interested in doing that. THat includes Glenn Beck. I watched his show for a couple of months back because a friend asked me to. Beck seems to care very little about the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/173 "2010-08-29T12:47:25Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I suppose a lot of that is because our media that could educate and present the facts doesn’t seem interested in doing that. THat includes Glenn Beck. I watched his show for a couple of months back because a friend asked me to. Beck seems to care very little about the truth. Well, of course he doesn’t. Truth has an obvious liberal bias. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/174 "2010-08-29T12:58:06Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > > [@Morgyn](#): > > > > And how do they expect a rally to do it? That takes work… > > This criticism could be leveled at every rally/march/demonstration ever held in the name of any cause, and it would be equally unfair in every case. Rallies are not _for_ accomplishing their stated goal… they’re for stating the goal. Rallying around it, so to speak. The test is _always_ what happens after. This is correct. Obviously people are dissatisifed with the way things have been going. I think yesterday’s rally shows we can’t dismiss the Tea Party crowd as won nuts and racists. I’m a little concerned about Beck Stressing religion and encouraging people , not only to believe, but to go back to church, and saying the country has to get back to God. He had a show on Fox yesterday stressing the same thing with David Barton from [Wallbuilders](http://www.wallbuilders.com/). America is far to diverse now to cater to one brand of religion. We’ll see what he stresses in the weeks to come. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/175 "2010-08-29T13:11:53Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > > [@spark240](#): > > > > This criticism could be leveled at every rally/march/demonstration ever held in the name of any cause, and it would be equally unfair in every case. Rallies are not _for_ accomplishing their stated goal… they’re for stating the goal. Rallying around it, so to speak. The test is _always_ what happens after. > > This is correct. Obviously people are dissatisifed with the way things have been going. I think yesterday’s rally shows we can’t dismiss the Tea Party crowd as won nuts and racists. I’m a little concerned about Beck Stressing religion and encouraging people , not only to believe, but to go back to church, and saying the country has to get back to God. He had a show on Fox yesterday stressing the same thing with David Barton from [Wallbuilders](http://www.wallbuilders.com/). > America is far to diverse now to cater to one brand of religion. We’ll see what he stresses in the weeks to come. Well, during his address he made a point of not specifying a chosen religion. at the closing he had a diverse group of pastors, rabbis, etc on stage and even _gasp_ mentioned mosque multiple times. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/176 "2010-08-29T13:14:20Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > “I got my honor on her, your Honor.” “She offered her honor, so I honored her offer. And that’s how it went all night: on her, off her, on her, off her…” ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/177 "2010-08-29T13:18:43Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well, of course he doesn’t. Truth has an obvious liberal bias. I’m not sure how this is meant, but the truth has no bias whatsoever. How we interpret the truth before us, and what we do with it , is where bias shows up. I think we need decent conservatives, liberals, and moderates to engage in real discussions and problem solving based on the facts without the Mt. of dishonest bullshit being spewed at us now from our elected officials and the media. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/178 "2010-08-29T13:19:43Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > > [@Bosstone](#): > > > > “I got my honor on her, your Honor.” > > “She offered her honor, so I honored her offer. And that’s how it went all night: on her, off her, on her, off her…” hehe a classic ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/179 "2010-08-29T13:27:49Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > I’ve been wondering: when does Mr. Beck think we lost our honor, exactly, and why? Who did it? Where was it lost? Can we get that honor back, or do we have to make some new honor? > > I gotta say, when Bill Clinton spooged all over Monica’s dress, it wasn’t America’s most shining moment. 😛 > > But… I blame Nixon. He was the guy most responsible for the break between American citizens and their government. The government was set up to lie to the public long before Nixon. That’s just when it started to become more obvious. As long as we’re doing okay, there’s no reason to invest the effort to change it. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517/180 "2010-08-29T13:34:44Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > I still claim this was the defining moment when the wheels flew off Obama’s cart for “fly-over America” or when it became apparent the Emperor wore no clothes - take your pick. > > As for the Restore Honor rally, despite Beck, it came off with both a unifying message and a message of individual strength. True to Beck’s promise, it was about as politics free as a gathering of this sort can be. I wasn’t able to watch 100% of the program but did catch a vast majority of it. Never heard one mention of Obama, the current administration, or the usual socialism, Islamic radical, bankrupting America buzzwords one would expect. Yeah, the more political part was the Michelle Bachman rally cleverly arranged for the same day. > [@](#): > > After Beck finished, some tea party members crossed the mall to get to Michele Bachmann’s political “tea party” rally, which featured, among others, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R- Texas). At the rally, Bachmann urged members to not “vote everyone out of office,” as there were “deserving members” that she said should stay around. that’s where they non politically asked the Tea Party folks to not throw out all the incumbets. I later heard Beck and guest David Barton prasing Bachman as a wonderful Chriatian woman on a show Saturday afternoon. Sounds to me like the non political part is a clever ruse. It is a clever political strategy though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-restoring-honor-rally-will-not-be-political-other-tea-party-nonsense/551517.md?page=10)