# Glenn Becks targets Frances Fox Piven (of "Cloward-Piven"); "targets" fitting word **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2011, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430 "2011-01-21T07:55:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/41 "2011-01-22T01:29:00Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Are you shitting me? [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQcvbw6ExTQ) is a clip from his show where he says, “you’re going to have to shoot them in the head”. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwqnkWdCJg) is audio from his radio show where he says “I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore”. He’s also said that he wanted to kill Charlie Rangel with a shovel and has made jokes about poisoning Nancy Pelosi. At first I was quite taken aback by your first link. Then I looked at the fuller clip from **Really Not All That Bright** and saw that your much shorter clip was either dumb or dishonest, as it attempts to portray a completely inaccurate picture. From your clip, one would take away that Beck is the one doing the shooting, or that Pelosi and company are the ones that should be shot. From the fuller clip you can see that he’s admonishing Pelosi and company that her enemy is “people who believe in something”—both from the right and the extreme left. He’s talk TO her, telling her that the people who believe in something will not be stopped unless they (her “enemies”) are shot in the head. He even starts the whole thing off by saying that to shut him up they would have to shoot _him_ in the head. Quite different from the impression one gets from your truncated clip. In the clip with Viera he says that the Rangle/Moore stuff is comedy. I took it as clear hyperbole myself. Now that we’ve straightened that out, lets go back to the OP. This is actually a good example. Can someone point to Beck condoning violence against Piven? Let’s draw the line from Beck to Piven. As I said, I haven’t seen much of him, so it might actually exist. I’m curious to see if it does. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/42 "2011-01-22T01:38:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > … From the fuller clip you can see that he’s admonishing Pelosi and company that her enemy is “people who believe in something”—both from the right and the extreme left. He’s talk TO her, telling her that the people who believe in something will not be stopped unless they (her “enemies”) are shot in the head. … > [@Times Omsbudsman: Possibly "Palin, Rush, Beck Responsible For Shooting!" Was Teeniest Bit Premature](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/times-omsbudsman-possibly-palin-rush-beck-responsible-for-shooting-was-teeniest-bit-premature/568336/89): > > To be fair, if one can actually make sense of anything Beck says, he does seem to be advocating that non-progressive non-revolutionary liberal Democrats shoot; Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Cass Sunnstein, Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Jeff Jones, Jodi Evans, Andy Stern, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, and Rosie O’Donnell in the head before they shoot us . . . so I guess that’s totally different from the other claim that he’s called for violence, I guess. > > CMC fnord! Nailed it!!! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/43 "2011-01-22T01:43:15Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Well you have to understand, Magellan’s brain doesn’t record information that conflicts with his worldview into his long term memory. That’s why he says the same bullshit after being proven wrong time after time. Sad really. It’s like Memento with a less charming protagonist. [QUOTE=Lobohan] To be extra fair, WT probably has an IQ of 90 and gets all hyperventally when people attack his heroes. [/QUOTE] Hey, Chucklehead, I see you’re up to your same old tricks. —Wait, make that “trick”. I would bet good money that no one has tried to call other posters stupid more than you. And I think that says quite a lot. Like you have a grossly inflated estimation of your own intellect. And that you’re also not very secure in your belief. That latter part is for good reason, believe me. Just as the guy who walks around with his chest out trying to act tough often isn’t, someone who is so quick to attempt to disparage the intellect of those who disagree with him is usually the one wanting in the cerebellum department. Do I think you’re stupid? Actually, I don’t. I think you’re solidly slightly above average. But you have this perception of yourself that’s not rooted in reality, and you have that insecurity, and you have the fact that you’re a schmuck working against you, too. Still, with all that, you can try to dial down the assholish childishness, no? Or is it the thing in the driver’s seat? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/44 "2011-01-22T02:33:23Z")
> [@from Byron Williams jailhouse interview](#): > > I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn’t for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed, that blew my mind. I said, “Well, nobody does this.” Beck will never say anything about a conspiracy, will never advocate violence. He’ll never do anything of this nature. But he’ll give you every ounce of evidence that you could possibly need. Go look at all the stuff that you’ll find. I would suggest you go back and see, try to find the videos about—all the June videos. > > \<\\> > > You know, I’ll tell you. Beck is going to deny everything about violent approach, deny everything about conspiracies, but he’ll give you every reason to believe in it. He is protecting himself, and you can’t blame him for that. So, I understand what he’s doing. It’s also interesting to note that Beck’s website has still not taken down the death threats that were posted on it aimed at Piven. Now, the douche nozzle has never come out and specifically called for a fatwa, but when he fills up his show with things like: > [@Glenn Beck](#): > > God will wash this nation with blood if he has to the Byron Williams of the world just might think spilling a little blood is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/45 "2011-01-22T02:37:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Hey, Chucklehead, I see you’re up to your same old tricks. —Wait, make that “trick”. I am undone! > [@](#): > > I would bet good money that no one has tried to call other posters stupid more than you. And I think that says quite a lot. Like you have a grossly inflated estimation of your own intellect. And that you’re also not very secure in your belief. That latter part is for good reason, believe me. In my defense, I only say it to the stupid ones. You see, this board is about reducing ignorance. You are dedicated to holding onto it. > [@](#): > > Just as the guy who walks around with his chest out trying to act tough often isn’t, someone who is so quick to attempt to disparage the intellect of those who disagree with him is usually the one wanting in the cerebellum department. Disagreeing with me on topics of opinion is fine. Disagreeing on facts or simple reason are where people would have trouble. > [@](#): > > Do I think you’re stupid? Actually, I don’t. I think you’re solidly slightly above average. But you have this perception of yourself that’s not rooted in reality, and you have that insecurity, and you have the fact that you’re a schmuck working against you, too. I’ll let the peanut gallery decide on if I’m smart or not. But if someone does something stupid there is nothing wrong with pointing it out. Some people aren’t like you. Some people want to know when they’ve done something stupid so they can learn. > [@](#): > > Still, with all that, you can try to dial down the assholish childishness, no? Or is it the thing in the driver’s seat? Protip: Stop saying stupid things and ignoring facts, and I will stop pointing them out. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/46 "2011-01-22T02:43:07Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I am undone! > > In my defense, I only say it to the stupid ones. You see, this board is about reducing ignorance. You are dedicated to holding onto it. > > Disagreeing with me on topics of opinion is fine. Disagreeing on facts or simple reason are where people would have trouble. > > I’ll let the peanut gallery decide on if I’m smart or not. But if someone does something stupid there is nothing wrong with pointing it out. Some people aren’t like you. Some people want to know when they’ve done something stupid so they can learn. > > Protip: Stop saying stupid things and ignoring facts, and I will stop pointing them out. Yay! Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amber_in_Treasury)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/47 "2011-01-22T02:49:27Z")
Glenn Beck is absolutely disgusting. But I can’t help thinking that people like him and some of the more shrill Tea Partiers, or at least their rhetoric, will some day push people over the edge. In one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/48 "2011-01-22T02:59:16Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Yawn. Aw snap! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/49 "2011-01-22T04:23:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Say, does anyone know where the Koch Brothers live? Or Richard Mellon Scaife? Or Roger Ailes? Need answer fast? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/50 "2011-01-22T07:04:32Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I’m really glad you post here and I hope you don’t go away. It’s useful to have a reminder and an example of just how fucking stupid some people can be. Everybody has to have a special purpose…glad I can help out. Suggestion though… don’t follow me around. Instead go straight to one of those brilliant threads like “I hate Conservatives” or “Stupid Republican idea of the Day” or “What will the Republicans Rape next?” or ( **Brainy G** ’s favorite) “I demand that the use of Algore result in permanent banning !!”. Now I’m headed to bump an old favorite back to the first page… follow me if you like. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/51 "2011-01-22T09:46:44Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > … you have a grossly inflated estimation of your own intellect. … > [@Democrat thuggery, Boston style.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrat-thuggery-boston-style/524797/93): > > … Through what non-rationale thinkiing process do I to score well enough on moderated IQ tests to qualify for clubs beyond Mensa? … BTW it’s not the constant spelling errors in your posts that should embarrass you, it’s that someone soo super duper smart can’t figure out one of the multiple ways to get a spell-checker for their browser. Of course, I are just the dumb, and onlys graduamated ninefth grade (though to be accurate, I quit after the sixth). But, I know my computer wants nothing more than to ruin my life, in whatever ways it can, which is why when I started posting here I took preventative measures. What’s your rationale? CMC fnord! Shall I remind everyone of [_The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366587) too? I saw your reading comprehension problem on my first read of the treaty. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/52 "2011-01-22T17:41:03Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > CMC fnord! > Shall I remind everyone of [_The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=366587) too? I saw your reading comprehension problem on my first read of the treaty. Wow. I misread something? Yes, you (and others) were correct and I was wrong. And when a fresh poster came in and was able to parse the passage in question in a way that made that clear to me, what did I do? I fully admitted that I was wrong and apologized to everyone for my misreading. In fact, [here it is.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7290147&postcount=156) So, you got me. I misread something and you were right and I was wrong. You can draw whatever conclusion you’d like from that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/53 "2011-01-22T19:32:06Z")
Its probably wise you only do that infrequently, if you had to post an apology every time you were flat out wrong, your post count would double. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/54 "2011-01-23T15:06:03Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > It’s also interesting to note that Beck’s website has still not taken down the death threats that were posted on it aimed at Piven. Now, the douche nozzle has never come out and specifically called for a fatwa, but when he fills up his show with things like: > the Byron Williams of the world just might think spilling a little blood is a good thing. I am So sick and tired of all this target holy war blood bullshit. That fucking pansy Beck would be so busy hiding and shitting on himself if it ever really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/55 "2011-01-23T18:53:12Z")
What did Beck actually say about Piven? The _Nation_ article doesn’t say. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/56 "2011-01-23T19:23:51Z")
If God would actually make use of a tool like Beck, it only reinforces my belief that God uses tools I wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole. I honestly cannot understand how or why any rational human being or most rocks would regard Beck favorably. The person is nothing more nor less than a flag-rubbing, bible-thumping greasy maggot. I hope I can say all that and get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/57 "2011-01-23T19:48:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > What did Beck actually say about Piven? The _Nation_ article doesn’t say. Who the hell cares? Beck is, you know, a bad guy. And if you can insinuate some connection between him and bad things that happen, well, what more do you need? What the heck is wrong with you anyway? In other words, it wasn’t answered when I asked the same thing back in Post 28, and the PreCog in me sees more misdirection, obfuscation, and wait…crickets. Lot’s of crickets. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/58 "2011-01-23T20:29:06Z")
As far as I know, what Beck actually did was to call attention to Piven’s piece in the Nation, which _actually calls for violence_: > [@Frances Piven](#): > > An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees. This sudden counter-attack on Beck strikes me as a strategic attempt to call attention away from Piven’s latest call to violence. For those not aware, people have actually been killed in the Greece riots. Rioters have actually firebombed police and government buildings. The student riots in England have also been violent. Piven thinks bringing this kind of protest to America would be a good idea. But then, she’s been calling for violent revolution since the 1960’s. But it’s Beck who’s the real worry here, for having the audacity to call this out. After all, people who listen to him might have a violent response to… Piven’s direct request for her own side to engage in violence. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/59 "2011-01-23T20:50:48Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > As far as I know, what Beck actually did was to call attention to Piven’s piece in the Nation, which _actually calls for violence_: > > This sudden counter-attack on Beck strikes me as a strategic attempt to call attention away from Piven’s latest call to violence. > > For those not aware, people have actually been killed in the Greece riots. Rioters have actually firebombed police and government buildings. The student riots in England have also been violent. Piven thinks bringing this kind of protest to America would be a good idea. But then, she’s been calling for violent revolution since the 1960’s. > > But it’s Beck who’s the real worry here, for having the audacity to call this out. After all, people who listen to him might have a violent response to… Piven’s direct request for her own side to engage in violence. Excellent post. But no doubt many in this thread are conscientiously researching and crafting posts citing all the other things Beck has said that support the OPs thesis. In the meantime, at least we have those lovely crickets. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430/60 "2011-01-23T22:09:01Z")
> [@](#): > > An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece in response to the austerity measures forced on the Greek government by the European Union, or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees. “Look something like” is a long way from actually calling for violence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/glenn-becks-targets-frances-fox-piven-of-cloward-piven-targets-fitting-word/568430.md?page=4)