# Global Warming progressing far faster than previously thought **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 17, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056 "2014-01-17T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/221 "2014-01-28T17:53:36Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > That may be true, but it doesn’t appear in the links above, nor on any of the “denier” blogs, which is also off topic. > > It has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Remember that we are here for telling others that I lied about that, I was right, popular denier media has reported it. I will let others judge how you are not willing to take that accusation back. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/222 "2014-01-28T19:04:00Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > As so often happens, this lie is ironic, in that the claim “All climate scientists believed an ice age was coming” is actually a warmist claim, a straw man they trot out, and then try to defeat in battle. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Remember that we are here for telling others that I lied about that, Nope, I described the claim (from came from some video) as a lie. So, your description of what happened is, well, it’s not right. But, you saying I said something I did not, that would be … false. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/223 "2014-01-28T19:25:37Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Nope, I described the claim (from came from some video) as a lie. So, your description of what happened is, well, it’s not right. > > But, you saying I said something I did not, that would be … false. :rolleyes: The video had Crichton saying that and I concentrating on the denier media and blogs (Hot Air) I linked to what they claimed, I was correct. So I consider this yet another doubling down of calling me a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/224 "2014-01-28T20:13:44Z")
[http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2\_recent\_pause\_in\_global\_warming.PDF](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF)Somebody had better tell the MetOffice about the OP. They, of course, ARE NOT SAYING that GW doesn’t exist, simply a lull. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/225 "2014-01-28T20:50:16Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > It’s just as I said, none of the pages linked to contain the claim , they don’t even contain the phrase “All climate scientists”. The claim “All climate scientists believed an ice age was coming” is actually a warmist claim, a straw man they trot out, and then try to defeat in battle. “No creationist claims that the earth is less than 4000 years old!” \ “See, those just say it’s less than 6000 years old! That it’s less than 4000 years old is just a strawman!” …Kind of missing the point, aren’t we? It’s not exactly shifting the goalposts, but it sure as hell isn’t reasonable debating. No, climate deniers don’t by and large claim that _all scientists believed an ice age was coming_. But of course, Sinclair never presented that as a scientific claim. It’s the type of hyperbole you can expect from a video of his, mocking dishonest deniers. And in this case, there’s not a whole lot wrong with the hyperbole. It doesn’t matter whether they tell us _all_ scientists believed an ice age was coming, or just imply quite heavily that there was a majority or consensus view that an ice age was coming, the issue remains the same: the consensus was pointing in the other direction and those who went against the consensus based their views on . And to most people, the precise degree to which a bullshit myth gets it wrong doesn’t quite matter that much when it’s established that the entire myth is, well, _bullshit_. It doesn’t matter to most of us whether the creationist claims the earth is less than 4000 years old or less than 6000 years old when he’s still off by 6 orders of magnitude. Look, true or false: denialist websites very frequently try to claim that in the 70s, there was a reasonable consensus to the claim that there was an ice age coming? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/226 "2014-01-28T21:14:19Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > [http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2\_recent\_pause\_in\_global\_warming.PDF](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF)Somebody had better tell the MetOffice about the OP. > > They, of course, ARE NOT SAYING that GW doesn’t exist, simply a lull. Ummm… I’m pretty sure the Met Office is quite aware, since the paper cited in the OP deals with coverage bias in their own HadCRUT4 temperature series. The pamphlet you cite was published about 6 months before this new paper. Incidentally, that Met Office pamphlet says all the same things that I and others have been saying about the role of the oceans in mitigating temperature. The new paper just adds another component. Taken together, and with all the other evidence, we can be pretty confident that external forcings haven’t changed and the heating of the planet is rolling along as it has been for the last half-century. A humorous sidebar to this is that Kevin Cowtan, one of the co-authors of the OP-cited paper about extreme Arctic warming, in a separate note has referenced the consistency of his results with the Cohen et al. (2012) paper with respect to the diverse distribution of high-latitude temperatures and the coverage bias that exists particularly in the winter. It’s funny of course because as I pointed out several times, the poster who cited that paper didn’t understand it, and cited it as allegedly “proving” the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/227 "2014-01-28T21:19:40Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > [http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2\_recent\_pause\_in\_global\_warming.PDF](http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/q/0/Paper2_recent_pause_in_global_warming.PDF)Somebody had better tell the MetOffice about the OP. > > They, of course, ARE NOT SAYING that GW doesn’t exist, simply a lull. They say more than that of course, just about what me and many others are saying, not a surprise and warming is expected after this “pause” > [@](#): > > Concluding remarks > > What can we conclude from all this? **First, periods of slowing down and pauses in surface warming are not unusual in the instrumental temperature record.** \*\* Second, climate model simulations suggest that we can expect such a period of a decade or more to occur at least twice per century, due to internal variability alone. \*\*Third, recent research suggests that ocean heat re-arrangements, with a contribution from changes in top of the atmosphere radiation, could be important for explaining the recent pause in global surface warming. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/228 "2014-01-28T21:20:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It doesn’t matter whether they tell us _all_ scientists believed an ice age was coming, or just imply quite heavily that there was a majority or consensus view that an ice age was coming, the issue remains the same: the consensus was pointing in the other direction and those who went against the consensus based their views on . Derp, forgot to finish a sentence. What I meant to say was: It doesn’t matter whether they tell us _all_ scientists believed an ice age was coming, or just imply quite heavily that there was a majority or consensus view that an ice age was coming, the issue remains the same: the consensus was pointing in the other direction and those who went against the consensus based their views on an increase in aerosol concentration which simply didn’t happen due to improved environmental legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/229 "2014-01-29T00:46:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > They say more than that of course, just about what me and many others are saying, not a surprise and warming is expected after this “pause” I’ll take all your dodging as meaning that you accept that, for whatever reason and without conceding anything else, there is a lull in temps for about 15 years. [Also, the MetOff has overshot 13 of the last 14 years](http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/posts/Met-Office-global-forecasts-too-warm-in-13-of-last-14-years). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/230 "2014-01-29T00:57:59Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I’ll take all your dodging as meaning that you accept that, for whatever reason and without conceding anything else, there is a lull in temps for about 15 years. Not really. > **[RealClimate: What ocean heating reveals about global warming](https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/#sthash.g9bgPgDO.dpuf)** > > RealClimate: The heat content of the oceans is growing and growing. That means that the greenhouse effect has not taken a pause and the cold sun is not noticeably slowing global warming. NOAA posts regularly updated measurements of the amount of heat... > [@](#): > > The amount of heat stored in the oceans is one of the most important diagnostics for global warming, because about 90% of the additional heat is stored there (you can read more about this in the last IPCC report from 2007). The atmosphere stores only about 2% because of its small heat capacity. The surface (including the continental ice masses) can only absorb heat slowly because it is a poor heat conductor. Thus, heat absorbed by the oceans accounts for almost all of the planet’s radiative imbalance. > > If the oceans are warming up, this implies that the Earth must absorb more solar energy than it emits longwave radiation into space. This is the only possible heat source. That’s simply the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of energy. This conservation law is why physicists are so interested in looking at the energy balance of anything. Because we understand the energy balance of our Earth, we also know that global warming is caused by greenhouse gases – which have caused the largest imbalance in the radiative energy budget over the last century. > > If the greenhouse effect (that checks the exit of longwave radiation from Earth into space) or the amount of absorbed sunlight diminished, one would see a slowing in the heat uptake of the oceans. The measurements show that this is not the case. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Also, the MetOff has overshot 13 of the last 14 years, always going too warm. I wish contrarians would make up their minds, generally they like the met office data because it showed or shows the lowest rises in temperature compared to other data sets. [http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/12/01/207110/met-office-hadley-centre-underestimate-global-warming/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/12/01/207110/met-office-hadley-centre-underestimate-global-warming/) ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/231 "2014-01-29T01:01:41Z")
Warmists are running out of places where to find the missing heat. Antarctica’s been gaining ice so it’s very unlikely they’ll find much more there. Again, this is like the 10th thread about GW going faster than expected, that can only mean that the models and observation used to forecast are consistenly wrong. GB? Are you saying that the MetOf paper is wrong? If six months after they said “there’s been a 10-to-15 year pause” anohter paper say “not only is there no pause, it’s going even faster” then the MetOf is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/232 "2014-01-29T01:05:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Not really. > > [RealClimate: What ocean heating reveals about global warming](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/#sthash.g9bgPgDO.dpuf) > > I wish contrarians would make up their minds, generally they like the met office data because it showed or shows the lowest rises in temperature compared to other data sets. > > [http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/12/01/207110/met-office-hadley-centre-underestimate-global-warming/](http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/12/01/207110/met-office-hadley-centre-underestimate-global-warming/) Heat and temp are not the same. I’ll repeat the question: Has there been a lull in observed temps, regardless whether the is more heat or not in the oceans? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/233 "2014-01-29T01:07:05Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Warmists are running out of places where to find the missing heat. Antarctica’s been gaining ice so it’s very unlikely they’ll find much more there. That is funny, the report you cited and the one I made later points at the oceans as the big place. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Again, this is like the 10th thread about GW going faster than expected, that can only mean that the models and observation used to forecast are consistenly wrong. You did not read the thread uh? > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > GB? Are you saying that the MetOf paper is wrong? If six months after they said “there’s been a 10-to-15 year pause” anohter paper say “not only is there no pause, it’s going even faster” then the MetOf is a joke. No, only that I’m on record on reporting before that Hadcrut has issues, just like Hansen and others reported before, of course the bigger joke is that contrarians out there relied a lot on that data for their past pronouncements of less warming, so contradiction is their motto. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/234 "2014-01-29T01:13:36Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Warmists are running out of places where to find the missing heat. Antarctica’s been gaining ice so it’s very unlikely they’ll find much more there. “Missing”? Not only does the article cited in the OP show that warming is progressing far faster than thought, but who said anything about missing heat? Have you tried _the ocean?_ Or are you going to do the same thing **FXMastermind** did and just dismiss it out of hand as fraudulent? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/235 "2014-01-29T01:14:10Z")
Ok, NASA/NOAA, 4 days ago. [NOAA: 1998-2013 -0.01°C NASA 1998-2013 -0.02°C (Jan 21st 2014)](http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NOAA_NASA_2013_Global_Temperatures_Joint_Briefing.pdf) Still no answer as to the lull from you ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/236 "2014-01-29T01:27:36Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Ok, NASA/NOAA, 4 days ago. > [NOAA: 1998-2013 -0.01°C NASA 1998-2013 -0.02°C (Jan 21st 2014)](http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NOAA_NASA_2013_Global_Temperatures_Joint_Briefing.pdf) > > Still no answer as to the lull from you As usual, the context of that is omitted: > **[NASA Finds 2013 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend - NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-finds-2013-sustained-long-term-climate-warming-trend/)** > > NASA scientists say 2013 tied with 2009 and 2006 for the seventh warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. > [@](#): > > NASA Finds 2013 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend > > NASA scientists say 2013 tied with 2009 and 2006 for the seventh warmest year since 1880, continuing a long-term trend of rising global temperatures. > [@](#): > > NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, which analyzes global surface temperatures on an ongoing basis, released an updated report Tuesday on temperatures around the globe in 2013. The comparison shows how Earth continues to experience temperatures warmer than those measured several decades ago. As usual it was answered before. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/237 "2014-01-29T02:11:06Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Warmists are running out of places where to find the missing heat. Antarctica’s been gaining ice so it’s very unlikely they’ll find much more there. Wrong. Please stop posting bullshit: [http://ps.uci.edu/scholar/velicogna/files/rignot\_etal\_grl2011.pdf](http://ps.uci.edu/scholar/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf) As for “where the heat is going”, you can start here: [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50382/abstract) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/238 "2014-01-29T02:49:23Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Wrong. Please stop posting bullshit: > [http://ps.uci.edu/scholar/velicogna/files/rignot\_etal\_grl2011.pdf](http://ps.uci.edu/scholar/velicogna/files/rignot_etal_grl2011.pdf) Please stop posting 2011 papers. Posted on October 22, 2013 [NASA Announces New Record Growth Of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent](http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/) Researchers have measured a new record for sea-ice extent in the Antarctic. Why the white splendour is extending there while it is rapidly disappearing in the Arctic is a mystery. Here’s a thought. Accurately predict something and stop posting excuses for why all the past predictions failed. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/239 "2014-01-29T02:56:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Please stop posting 2011 papers. > > Posted on October 22, 2013 > [NASA Announces New Record Growth Of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent](http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/) > > Researchers have measured a new record for sea-ice extent in the Antarctic. Why the white splendour is extending there while it is rapidly disappearing in the Arctic is a mystery. > > Here’s a thought. Accurately predict something and stop posting excuses for why all the past predictions failed. Poles apart, and you need to stop relying on denier sources. > **[Poles Apart](https://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/poles-apart/)** > > As most of you are aware, Arctic sea ice has shrunk dramatically over the last several decades, because of man-made global warming. This year it has broken the records for lowest area, lowest exten… > [@](#): > > As most of you are aware, Arctic sea ice has shrunk dramatically over the last several decades, because of man-made global warming. This year it has broken the records for lowest area, lowest extent, and lowest volume. Perhaps more to the point, those records were broken not by a little — not even by a modest amount — the were broken by a helluva lot. Yes, a hell of a lot. The loss of Arctic sea ice has been nothing short of astounding. > How have the fake skeptics of global warming responded? By changing the subject, of course. > > Perhaps the most ridiculous example (by which I mean, worthy of ridicule) is on hcubed’s blunderblog. And what does he change the subject to? This: > > > [@](#): > > > > Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). > > Wow! Stop the presses! Extra!!! Extra!!! Read all about it!!! Antarctic sea ice reaches record high for this day of the year! > > What a shame for that poor, poor, unimpressive Arctic sea ice. All it managed to do this year was set the record for lowest sea ice extent for a single day of the year for every day since July 28th. Yes, that’s the last few days of July, the entire month of August, and the entire month of September — so far. All it did was break the all-time record. All it was able to do this year was go below the pre-2012 all-time record 26 times — so far. > > Yeah. The previous paragraph is sarcasm. > > If that sarcastic exposition gives you the impression that it’s the “record” in Antarctica that’s unimpressive — then you got the right impression. But that won’t stop fake skeptics from exaggerating its importance, trumpeting it as though it were a major event. They really don’t have much choice … that’s all they’ve got. > [@](#): > > The Antarctic minima have increased, but only very slightly. But the Arctic minimum this year was only half what it used to be. > > Really, there’s no comparison. But fake skeptics insist on making a comparison, because when they leave out the details it gives them something to talk about. And that’s all they’ve got. Incidentally, none other than Judith Curry published a paper explaining the apparent paradox of more ice in the antarctic in a warming world. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/240 "2014-01-29T03:06:14Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Please stop posting 2011 papers. > > Posted on October 22, 2013 > [NASA Announces New Record Growth Of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent](http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/) > > Researchers have measured a new record for sea-ice extent in the Antarctic. Why the white splendour is extending there while it is rapidly disappearing in the Arctic is a mystery. > > Here’s a thought. Accurately predict something and stop posting excuses for why all the past predictions failed. No, it’s not a difference between 2011 and 2013 papers, it’s a matter of understanding the facts, like the difference between the Antarctic continental ice sheet and seasonal sea ice. The net loss of Antarctic continental ice sheet mass has been established for many years. Antarctic **sea ice** is entirely different. Sea ice there – as gleefully proclaimed by the denialist WUWT site that you quote – has indeed been growing, and one of the likely reasons for that is the freshwater outflows from the melting ice sheet. Antarctica is practically the opposite of the Arctic in its geographic topology, and sea ice is largely seasonal and almost entirely disappears by the end of summer. It is no measure at all of polar glaciation. In the Arctic, however, sea ice is the dominant form of ice and tends to be landlocked, so its measure is significant. A few basic scientific facts go a long way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056.md?page=13)