# Global Warming progressing far faster than previously thought **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 17, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056 "2014-01-17T13:47:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/461 "2014-02-17T16:59:20Z")
Too bad David Gregory couldn’t have been more concise with his questions (or whatever you want to call what he was saying.) Blackburn wins for smugness. Nye wins for most shell-shocked. He clearly wasn’t at his best. All in all, there’s really nothing to see here, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/462 "2014-02-17T17:03:38Z")
The point that I remember, and it sort of sucks really, but it was that even if the US does all kinds of drastic cuts, ruins the economy to reduce CO2 emissions, it won’t change a fucking thing as far as CO2 levels, which means it won’t do jackshit to stop the feared global warming. Who in their right mind will starve their own family while the neighbors are eating like pigs? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/463 "2014-02-17T18:22:40Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The point that I remember, and it sort of sucks really, but it was that even if the US does all kinds of drastic cuts, ruins the economy to reduce CO2 emissions, it won’t change a fucking thing as far as CO2 levels, which means it won’t do jackshit to stop the feared global warming. > > Who in their right mind will starve their own family while the neighbors are eating like pigs? The point to remember here is that it will not ruin the economy. But we know already how wrong you are on this subject. > **[How to Talk to an Ostrich: “We can’t Afford Clean Energy”](https://thinc.blog/2012/04/25/how-to-talk-to-an-ostrich-we-cant-afford-clean-energy/)** > > Richard Alley shows vividly why this crock, really is a crock. Full-on ceramic porcelain. > [@](#): > > Richard Alley shows vividly why this crock, [that the economy will be ruined and we can not afford the needed change] really is a crock. Full-on ceramic porcelain . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/464 "2014-02-17T19:05:46Z")
[SoS John Kerry weighs in,](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/16/john-kerry-climate-change_n_4798963.html) FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/465 "2014-02-17T21:49:44Z")
I can tell somebody didn’t watch the debate. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/466 "2014-02-17T22:13:41Z")
Regarding the “debate” Philip Bump who is a technology and environmentalist writer did check and it is clear that Blackburn turned the falsehoods up to 11. [http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/02/fact-checking-bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-change-debate/358149/](http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/02/fact-checking-bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-change-debate/358149/) And not only Blackburn got criticized, also the hosts and the show were. > [@](#): > > David Gregory: > > > [@](#): > > > > This debate goes on. > > Rating: False > > The debate is over. If Meet the Press covered the topic more — in 2013, according to Media Matters, it failed “to offer a single substantial mention of climate change” — Gregory might know that. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/467 "2014-02-17T22:14:37Z")
You really should watch a debate before trying to discuss it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/468 "2014-02-17T22:20:52Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You really should watch a debate before trying to discuss it. A meaningless retort as I did see the “debate”, and I agree with other posters, not much to see there, but it gives us evidence of how loopy the current crop of republicans are. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/469 "2014-02-17T22:25:23Z")
“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” ~ H. L. Mencken ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/470 "2014-02-17T22:33:02Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” > ~ H. L. Mencken Of course that is the point that many climate scientists make, but there are many contrarians that only look at cherry picks and call it a day, indeed that is a very simple and wrong solution, dealing with what the scientists report is too complicated for them it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/471 "2014-02-17T22:51:49Z")
Wait, was that supposed to have any connection to anything else in the thread? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/472 "2014-02-18T01:44:47Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [RealClimate: Global Warming Since 1997 Underestimated by Half](http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/11/global-warming-since-1997-underestimated-by-half/) > > So basically, even though the “no warming in 16 years” crowd was wrong before, now they’re _really_ wrong - the data doesn’t even _look_ like there’s been “no warming”. > [@](#): > > Despite the continued increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, the annual-mean global temperature has not risen in the twenty-first century1, 2, challenging the prevailing view that anthropogenic forcing causes climate warming. Various mechanisms have been proposed for this hiatus in global warming3, 4, 5, 6, but their relative importance has not been quantified, hampering observational estimates of climate sensitivity. Here we show that accounting for recent cooling in the eastern equatorial Pacific reconciles climate simulations and observations. We present a novel method of uncovering mechanisms for global temperature change by prescribing, in addition to radiative forcing, the observed history of sea surface temperature over the central to eastern tropical Pacific in a climate model. [Browse Articles | Nature](http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12534.html) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/473 "2014-02-18T01:46:58Z")
The current ideas to explain the slight cooling trend measured by every single data set of global temperatures, are quite varied at this point. I of course, like mine best, but there are many others. There are also several ideas that simply brush aside the data and claim that warming has actually continued. It’s an interesting time. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/474 "2014-02-18T01:54:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Our results show that the current hiatus is part of natural climate variability, tied specifically to a La-Niña-like decadal cooling. Although similar decadal hiatus events may occur in the future, the multi-decadal warming trend is very likely to continue with greenhouse gas increase. So indeed, scientists do take natural forces into account, and as usual it as to be mentioned that researchers like Latif pointed at the variability that was bound to show up, and just like he predicted, natural variations in the long term warming are being misinterpreted by the denier media. Out of ignorance, or malice. They did a good job on many and that sorry idea still omits the ocean temperature increase. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/475 "2014-02-18T02:10:18Z")
I think the very concept that one hand is declaring no slowdown, while the other is explaining why the slowdown happened, just whooshed right over somebodies head. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/476 "2014-02-18T03:13:04Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I think the very concept that one hand is declaring no slowdown, while the other is explaining why the slowdown happened, just whooshed right over somebodies head. The evidence shows that the whoosh happened to the ones that are trying to claim that it is clear and simple. Natural variations are indeed acknowledged by science, the oceans and other evidence point at the “pause” as being a repeat of the movie seen in the 70’s. \*\*More \*\*warming will come eventually to the surface too. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/477 "2014-02-18T04:56:46Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The evidence shows that the whoosh happened to the ones that are trying to claim that it is clear and simple. Natural variations are indeed acknowledged by science, the oceans and other evidence point at the “pause” as being a repeat of the movie seen in the 70’s. \*\*More \*\*warming will come eventually to the surface too. “More” warming? “Eventually”? That seems to be the part of this climate change thing that really hurts the IPCC’s and agw believer’s credibility. Global warming with no global warming. Why o why does the Earth’s temp keep disagreeing with the IPCC guesstimations? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/478 "2014-02-18T04:59:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > “More” warming? “Eventually”? That seems to be the part of this climate change thing that really hurts the IPCC’s and agw believer’s credibility. Global warming with no global warming. As someone said, you are looking for simple items to dismiss what the experts and scientists found before and now, not as easy as you want. And still what you said is less credible where it counts. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/479 "2014-02-18T05:09:30Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As someone said, you are looking for simple items to dismiss what the experts and scientists found before and now, not as easy as you want. And still what you said is less credible where it counts. Which doesn’t change the fact that even the IPCC and it’s feeder organizations are trying to explain the current pause/plateau in the global temperature. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056/480 "2014-02-18T05:32:31Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Which doesn’t change the fact that even the IPCC and it’s feeder organizations are trying to explain the current pause/plateau in the global temperature. Once again, you can not explain away the fact that we saw this movie before in the 70’s. > **[What 1970s science said about global cooling](https://skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html)** > > A persistent argument designed to discredit the field of climate science is that scientists predicted an ice age in the 1970s. So popular in fact that it ranks an impressive #7 in the most cited skeptic arguments. The logic goes that climate... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/global-warming-progressing-far-faster-than-previously-thought/679056.md?page=25)