# gms453 is a troll. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116 "2012-10-08T18:55:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/41 "2012-10-09T07:29:36Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > I know what you mean, my ex-girlfriend played the clarinet. > > The overreaction to a one sentence question with no follow up is ridiculous. Mosier has created this fictional troll bogey man out of one insensitive question. His “troll” stopped talking about it when a mod asked him to. Of course it wasn’t just one insensitive question. After he was called out for the insensitive question, he wouldn’t let it go. He made several posts after the first, all berating the OP for allowing someone to impregnate her. Just because a mod put a stop to it doesn’t mean he’s any less of a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![gms453](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@gms453](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gms453)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/42 "2012-10-09T10:53:45Z")
Once again, you are mistaken. I never berated anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/43 "2012-10-09T11:25:46Z")
> [@gms453](#): > > Do you have any idea how immature and juvenile your use of the word “douchey” sounds? It’s almost as immature and juvenile as your name calling. In the world of grownups, name calling never wins an argument. I quite deliberately never called you any names. There is a big difference between acting douchey and being a douche. Instead of getting all defensive and rude it might behoove you to consider that your behavior was inappropriate. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think your comments were much more terrible than many of the others in that thread, but your behavior in this thread is really setting you apart. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/44 "2012-10-09T11:31:37Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > It smacked of an accusation how pregnancy is always the fault of the woman because she “let” a man impregnate her. . Huh? Pregnancy _is_ always the fault of the woman. It’s also always the fault of the man. (Barring the obvious exceptions). Although fault of may be a poor choice of words; responsibility of, or “result of the actions of” may be better. ---
**Author:** ![gms453](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@gms453](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gms453)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/45 "2012-10-09T11:36:23Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I’m not sure I’d call him a troll, but I wouldn’t be so quick to say he isn’t one simply because he stopped when asked by a mod. He kept asking (more or less) the same question over and over again in a way that was pretty obvious that there could be no “right” answer to it. > > It smacked of an accusation how pregnancy is always the fault of the woman because she “let” a man impregnate her. It’s sexist horseshit and he kept needling about it all the while pretending it was just a simple question and gosh o golly why can’t someone just answer it? Your assertion that it was one insensitive question is pretty silly when you see how many times he went back and forth being ever more dense at each turn. > > Add to the fun that he likes to pretend anyone answering is hysterical (as in calm down hysterical woman!) when they answer him for his “simple, straight forward question” when it’s neither simple nor straight forward. The back and forth and back and forth and back and forth dance of duhhhhh he did with several posters should be enough for anyone to see he was hardly asking an innocent question but wanting to rub the OP’s nose in her “mistake” of almost two decades ago that (unless she has a time machine) she handled the best she could. > So for the tl;dr crowd: He’s probably not a troll, just an unoriginal and dull witted jackass. Name calling is a sure sign of unoriginality and dull wittedness. I have not called anyone any names; you have. The question I posed WAS simple and straightforward, and WAS simply and straightforwardly answered by the person I posed it to. Re-read that thread, but before you do, take a time out to get a grip: your imagination is out’ta control. ---
**Author:** ![gms453](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@gms453](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gms453)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/46 "2012-10-09T12:28:57Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I quite deliberately never called you any names. There is a big difference between acting douchey and being a douche. Instead of getting all defensive and rude it might behoove you to consider that your behavior was inappropriate. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think your comments were much more terrible than many of the others in that thread, but your behavior in this thread is really setting you apart. Just re-read your 1st post. Your definition of name-calling must be different than mine. My posts in this (and the other thread) were and remain appropriate and I am pleased, given the lack of quality of the posts made by you and some of the others in this thread, that they are setting me apart. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/47 "2012-10-09T13:06:11Z")
> [@gms453](#): > > Name calling is a sure sign of unoriginality and dull wittedness. I have not called anyone any names… > [@gms453](#): > > 1. You sound like my mommy. laughingelfman.jpg ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/48 "2012-10-09T13:14:22Z")
Name calling may be a sign of unoriginality but it doesn’t necessarily negate truth. So, if you actually **are** a dull witted jackass and are called such then arguments of originality will fade away. Do you understand **gms453** , you dull witted jackass? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/49 "2012-10-09T13:18:14Z")
I try and stay out of other people’s bedrooms. Fewer problems all the way around, you know. Plus, it saves on the brain bleach. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/50 "2012-10-09T13:38:32Z")
> [@gms453](#): > > Just re-read your 1st post. Your definition of name-calling must be different than mine. > > My posts in this (and the other thread) were and remain appropriate and I am pleased, given the lack of quality of the posts made by you and some of the others in this thread, that they are setting me apart. As any twisted fork will tell you, being unique is not the same as being useful. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/51 "2012-10-09T15:12:43Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > It smacked of an accusation how pregnancy is always the fault of the woman because she “let” a man impregnate her. Actually it struck me as a more polite way of asking, “If you knew he was a lazy, dirtbag, why did you continue the pregnancy?” And continuing the pregnancy, at least in most of the first world, is an option completely at the control of the pregnant woman. It’s a question I often want to hear a reasonable answer from women in bad idea pregnancies. So far not a single women continuing an assine pregnancy has ever been able to come up with reasonable justification. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/52 "2012-10-09T16:14:53Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > From [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=667753) thread about another Doper’s prenuptial agreement and her impending divorce, came the following: > > Understandably, the thread was completely derailed at that point. > > **gms453** , you took a giant shit all over that thread, and I think you know it. I think you made that comment just to stir up trouble and cause drama. Why do you think it would be important here to make someone answer for a decision she made sixteen years ago? You even [admitted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15564113&postcount=146) that no matter what her answer was, it wouldn’t make any difference at all in the matter at hand. > > This is just the icing on the cake, proving you’re an irredeemable jackass. Fuck off. She made a decision to sign a prenup 16 years ago and people seem to be giving her hi-5s over that decision. She made a few decisions 16 years ago. She decided to have sex with this guy, she decided NOT to have an abortion, she decided to marry this guy. My law school professor used to say that people signed prenups in anticipation of divorce and they were rarely ever disappointed. It was pretty revolting to hear her crowing about getting to keep almost everything from their 16 year marriage (if you want to call it that). ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/53 "2012-10-09T17:54:51Z")
> [@gms453](#): > > Nope; never does. I suspect that beneath your offensively and vulgarly effeminate façade there may be a soul of sorts. Have you read widely in Boethius? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/54 "2012-10-09T18:28:23Z")
> [@gms453](#): > > Do you have any idea how immature and juvenile your use of the word “douchey” sounds? It’s almost as immature and juvenile as your name calling. In the world of grownups, name calling never wins an argument. Olive didn’t call you a name. She was referring to how your comment came across. You mistake the reposes in this thread as people trying to win an argument with you. That is not the case. You’ve been called a troll, and honestly, you’ve done nothing to prove otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/55 "2012-10-09T18:54:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > She made a decision to sign a prenup 16 years ago and people seem to be giving her hi-5s over that decision. > > She made a few decisions 16 years ago. She decided to have sex with this guy, she decided NOT to have an abortion, she decided to marry this guy. > > My law school professor used to say that people signed prenups in anticipation of divorce and they were rarely ever disappointed. > > It was pretty revolting to hear her crowing about getting to keep almost everything from their 16 year marriage (if you want to call it that). I thought so too. Apparently the fact she made a baby with this guy makes everything else she does OK, even tho it looks like she lead him into the idea that she would support him in his desire to become a rock star. I’m quite sure that if the roles were reversed and some guy was dumping his wife with almost nothing, no one would be happy about it despite how awful she may have been. Especially if the man was taking the daughter with him after the divorce. There just seem to be too many people blinded by the presence of children and/or of the opinion that women need as much help as they can get, or they will wither away and die. **gms453’s** question could have been better phrased, but really - why was she having sex with a guy she knew was a bum? And get pregnant, and continue the pregnancy, and keep the baby, and marry the guy? And then crow about dumping him on his ass 16 years later? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/56 "2012-10-09T19:03:05Z")
I stopped reading that thread before the end of the first page because it had devolved into a big mess by about the third or fourth post. It seems weird that, out of all the things in that thread to pick out, this just doesn’t really strike me as something that sticks out above all the other stuff there. > [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Huh? Pregnancy _is_ always the fault of the woman. It’s also always the fault of the man. (Barring the obvious exceptions). Although fault of may be a poor choice of words; responsibility of, or “result of the actions of” may be better. I have to agree here. He certainly didn’t say it the best way, but it seemed to me he was basically just asking why she was sleeping with a guy she had assessed to be a dirtbag. Regardless of the sex, why would someone sleep with someone they think is scum? And worse, if you do, why would you not take the precautions to, if you’re a woman, get pregnant, and if you’re a man, get her pregnant? Unless rape or lying about fertility/birth control is involved, the person making the bad choice of sleeping with a dirtbag has a fair share of the responsibility. In all that, it really didn’t have much bearing on the thread because people do make mistakes, especially if it was 16 years in the past and it really doesn’t have much bearing on the current situation. Some people are foolish and hope they can change, in this case, as was said upthread, it looks like there was some hope that his musical career would pan out, but guys make the same sort of mistake ending up with terrible women, just generally for slightly different reasons. I just don’t see trolling here. I could see some justification for some lack of sensitivity, lacking of subtlety, maybe being a jerk, but I don’t see trolling. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/57 "2012-10-09T19:17:58Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > You mistake the reposes in this thread as people trying to win an argument with you. That is not the case. > > You’ve been called a troll, and honestly, you’ve done nothing to prove otherwise. How exactly would a non-troll respond to this thread? I’m new to the role of white knight (as a general rule, I don’t approve of being nice to people) but in this thread there’s a lot of posters putting words into the mouth of gms that he never said. It’s easy (especially on the internet) to get baited into responding “No, you’re the jackass!” Gms hasn’t done that. Nor has he said anything disparaging about Foxy beyond the original question. Sometime’s a cigar is just a cigar. There might not be all this secret troll subtext some people seem so desperate to find. I’ll tell you what, if gms comes back later and starts claiming he’s a sexy quadriplegic I’ll publicly recant and admit he’s a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/58 "2012-10-09T19:30:00Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > How exactly would a non-troll respond to this thread? I can give you a pretty good example of how a troll would respond, if that helps. > [@gms453](#): > > Well, I probably shouldn’t respond to your over-the-top post, but, in deference to your elegant use of the English language, I will: > H’mmm…I think if I were going to engage in a battle of wits I would want my opponent to be witless. By the way, your use of a comma after the word “advised” is unnecessary, and your use of the word “an” before the word “witless” is improper. > I agree. Now everyone knows that your posts are nothing more than hysterical, irrational, name-calling rants peppered with gratuitous profanity. > That’s funny, and while I like it, please rest assured that I do not consider my participation in this thread to be a competitive endeavor. To me, it’s nothing more than a trifling amusement. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/59 "2012-10-09T19:44:11Z")
Oh come on, you’re not even allowed to fuck with people a little bit if they’re ones who start a pit thread insulting you? I’m serious, how was he supposed to respond? Should he have gone all, “No, YOU are the ones who are the ball-lickers! I’m taking this melodramatic pitting _very_ seriously!” Now the best way to respond to a pit thread is usually to ignore it, but I’m not going to fault the guy for responding and having a bit of fun with the offenderatti once they blew their gaskets. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gms453-is-a-troll/637116/60 "2012-10-09T20:11:28Z")
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