# Go Away Yanks **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 8, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685 "2005-12-08T15:44:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/21 "2005-12-08T16:46:35Z")
By the way, can I ask what the connection between Yanks and carpetbags is? Is it like the mark of the beast, a sure way to identify someone as a Damned Yanky? Or do both carpetbags and Yanks inherently smell bad? ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/22 "2005-12-08T16:47:19Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > By the way, I left my South Korean tracks upon your blessed Virginia soil once. Might want to arm yourself with a cross and some holy water before you dare approach those. :rolleyes: I can beat that! I lived there for six years, _and I’m a heeb_! –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/23 "2005-12-08T16:49:57Z")
> [@David Simmons](#): > > That was my first thought. That revered “Southern Heritage” is that of a society and economy built on human slavery. > > I think the OP must be tongue-in-cheek. Don’t fool yourself. The entire economy of the U.S. at the time was built on human slavery. That has sweet fuck all to do with the U.S. today, of course, but let’s call a spade a spade he, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/24 "2005-12-08T16:50:42Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > By the way, can I ask what the connection between Yanks and carpetbags is? DUring the post-war Reconstruction period, legislatures and administrations of the Southern states were packed with pro-Republican Yankees, the old guard having been kicked out for being in rebellion. They allegedly all packed their belongings in carpetbags, caught a Southbound train, and ended up in the Georgia or Mississippi or Carolina senate the next day. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Bean\_Counter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/db5fbb/32.png) [@Bean\_Counter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bean_Counter)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/25 "2005-12-08T16:57:11Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > The South shall _riiiiiiiiiiiise_ again! And do what?!? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/26 "2005-12-08T16:58:13Z")
Wow, this \*is \*a great debate! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/27 "2005-12-08T17:00:31Z")
I am more shocked at the amount of attention this obvious troll job is getting. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/28 "2005-12-08T17:00:47Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Don’t fool yourself. The entire economy of the U.S. at the time was built on human slavery. That has sweet fuck all to do with the U.S. today, of course, but let’s call a spade a spade he, shall we? Can you support this statement? The North was industrializing and not dependant on slavery at all. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/29 "2005-12-08T17:01:53Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > The South shall _riiiiiiiiiiiise_ again! …any minute now. Any minute. Now. NOW! Annnny minute…NOW! It’s funny, having lived in lovely Mississippi now for five years, I’m still amazed that your typical Southerner can not comprehend that Yankees are not obsessed with the Civil War the way they are. The just don’t understand that its a piece of history that nobody really cares about. It’s just something that happned, like WWI, WW2, War of 1812, etc. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![dandrews02](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dandrews02](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dandrews02)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/30 "2005-12-08T17:14:42Z")
I removed a paragraph at the end stating it was a facetious (sort of) post. I wanted to sir the pot a bit, please excuse me if I offended anyone. Obviously this is the United States of America, and migration is a commonplace (sometimes necessary) practice. Here in Williamsburg there has been a huge explosion in population, and with that the community has lost some of the quaint charm that only a small community can have. It is sad for a ‘local’ to see his hometown change so drastically in just a few decades. Mostly the people relocating here are from the north, and there is some bona fide ‘yankee bashing’ going around. Personally, I don’t give a shit where they’re from, I just wish our Board of Supervisors would control growth before we end up like Northern Virginia. Yes, I am quite aware that the South lost the war, and I am thankful they did. They fought to protect the despicable practice of slavery, which thank God ended with that terrible conflict. However, had I lived then, I, like Lee, would have fought for Virginia even though being opposed to slavery. There is something about local pride which is hard to explain, or even understand. That was initially the thought process leading up to my post, but I kinda went off on a different tangent. Again, my apologies if offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/31 "2005-12-08T17:17:42Z")
> [@Bean Counter](#): > > And do what?!? Get eaten by a giant fish. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/32 "2005-12-08T17:18:42Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Can you support this statement? The North was industrializing and not dependant on slavery at all. > > Jim Yes, you’re right, of course. The raw materials for the northern textile industry, food for the workers, the markets for finished products, etc…These were all provided to the north by the revisionist fairy at no human cost at all. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/33 "2005-12-08T17:21:41Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > The South shall _riiiiiiiiiiiise[/_ again! [Sure it will](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28559) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/34 "2005-12-08T17:31:07Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Can you support this statement? The North was industrializing and not dependant on slavery at all. > > Jim Because of course the cotton ended up in the northern factors as though from the ether right? See there is this simple thing called economics, it traces our monetary expenditures as we pay for goods and services. Now around the time we are discussing, they had these things called plantations, which grew the RAW MATERIALS, that were then sent to northern factories for processing. Now these plantations were run by feudal lords and their slaves. And of course no one on the union side owned slaves after all, and Abraham Lincoln wanted to keep the North and South united for no particular reason other than some aesthetic sensibility about unity. It couldn’t have had to do with the fact that the North was dependent upon the south for the raw materials. And of course there is HUGE different between some Mick FOB, who is eminently replaceable at the factory, who works 16 hour days for just enough to eat and live in a shithole, and a slave, right? Of course! The northern corporate oligarchy had the moral authority!!! How do we know they had the moral authority? Because they won…I mean freed the slaves. I’m from the Southwest, and as such I think that both sides in that conflict come off as fairly ridiculous, so don’t think I’m arguing for the south, but there is a pretty naive view of the Union in that whole debacle. America has largely been run on a pretty vicious form of capitalism, where the difference between slave and freedman is sometimes only semantic. However, it still stands that slavery was pretty integral to the economy as a whole. Erek ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/35 "2005-12-08T17:33:27Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Yes, you’re right, of course. The raw materials for the northern textile industry, food for the workers, the markets for finished products, etc…These were all provided to the north by the revisionist fairy at no human cost at all. :rolleyes: Is this why the North fought to end the practice and why they did so badly after the war? :rolleyes: right back at ya. (Yes, I know the civil war was to keep the Union intact, but the Republican party formed to end Slavery and they would have ended it slower without the war, but they were going to end it, the war was inevitable, doesn’t make the Confederacy right.) Jim ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/36 "2005-12-08T17:41:42Z")
> [@dandrews02](#): > > It smells of carbetbags, a stench upon my nostrils. > There is a scourge upon our lands, and the devils approach from places named, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and parts thereabouts. So, whatever happened to “heritage, not hate?” ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/37 "2005-12-08T17:42:10Z")
Didn’t you forget “Git-R-Done” from your rant? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/38 "2005-12-08T17:45:27Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I’m from the Southwest, and as such I think that both sides in that conflict come off as fairly ridiculous, so don’t think I’m arguing for the south, but there is a pretty naive view of the Union in that whole debacle. America has largely been run on a pretty vicious form of capitalism, where the difference between slave and freedman is sometimes only semantic. However, it still stands that slavery was pretty integral to the economy as a whole. > > Erek So, when did the huge crash happen? Certainly if the supplies for the factories dried up completely (since the northern economy was completely dependent on the output of slave labor) there must have been one. Otherwise, this is just another one of your “You’re all idiots, **I’M** an independent therefore my ideas are completely fresh and new and correct.” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/39 "2005-12-08T18:19:32Z")
> [@Queuing](#): > > What is up with all the Virginia threads recently? First **Bricker** now this? Is something happening in Virginia I am unaware of? At least **Bricker** ’s was a satire illustrating the situation in Hawaii (although perhaps he should have made that more clear). This OP is just “Da’hell?” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685/40 "2005-12-08T18:28:19Z")
> [@dandrews02](#): > > I am a Virginian with deep rooted southern roots, and I am distressed by the continued migration of northerners into our southern communities. > It smells of carbetbags, a stench upon my nostrils. > There is a scourge upon our lands, and the devils approach from places named, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and parts thereabouts. > They move and speak at a quicker pace, many are arrogant and rude, and they care not about our southern heritage. > > Had I been of age in 1860 I would have joined the Northern Army of Virginia and those northern heathens would have been my sworn enemies. Virginia soil is sacred ground, containing the blood of my forefathers. Deep inside my core I feel compelled to resist these northern invaders. > > Should not southern soil remain unsullied by northern tracks? I think guest posters shouldn’t have the privilege of starting threads. Exhibit A. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-away-yanks/334685.md?page=3)