# Go back into the cardboard tube you crawled out of, Starving Artist. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670 "2013-10-08T12:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/221 "2013-10-14T19:53:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I’m sorry, **Hentor** , but what you say isn’t the whole truth. > > You endorse, either implicitly or explicitly, posts you agree with, and you subject posts you don’t agree with to rigorous examination. > > You have two sieves, two standards: one for conservatives and one for liberals. I’m sorry this upsets you, but it’s the naked truth. Only that in this case \*\*Hentor \*\*did not approach this by “assuming the worst without fact-checking.” It is not the “naked truth” specially when we all can see that you already acknowledged that \*\*Hentor \*\*based what he declared here on the previous posting history of the one being pitted. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/222 "2013-10-14T19:53:37Z")
**Bricker** hasn’t told you anything at all different from comments by numerous other posters over the past several months. In those cases you routinely called them ‘hysterical’ and/or repeatedly claimed that their comments were politically motivated. Is **Bricker** hysterical and opposed to you politically? C’mon, it’s not that hard a question. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/223 "2013-10-14T20:02:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or possibly the truth of an assertion is found in the assertion itself, and not he who makes it. It’s hard to argue with this as a general principle, but since you so often post threads decrying liberal hypocrisy, I simply have to ask: During your time as a criminal defense attorney, did you ever attempt to impeach the credibility of a witness by pointing out times where that individual had been untruthful on other matters? If not you personally, is this not an accepted tactic in the courtroom? And why do you suppose it is acceptable to impeach a witness in court, where the stakes are real, but it is unacceptable during a debate, or even a mere Pitting, where there is literally nothing at stake? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/224 "2013-10-14T20:04:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’ve been busy the last few days and have had no contact with **Bricker** to see what he has to say via PM, nor to discuss the subject with him further from my point of view. I’ll respond openly at the time I feel appropriate. ♫ Bravely bold Sir Tube Rode forth from Cardboard. He was not afraid to fark The brave Sir Tube. If the tube don’t fit You must acquit! If the tube don’t fit You must acquit! ♪ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/225 "2013-10-14T20:06:31Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Bricker** hasn’t told you anything at all different from comments by numerous other posters over the past several months. In those cases you routinely called them ‘hysterical’ and/or repeatedly claimed that their comments were politically motivated. Is **Bricker** hysterical and opposed to you politically? C’mon, it’s not that hard a question. No one who said anything to me in the manner that **Bricker** did got called hysterical or politically motivated as a result. I’m not going to say anything with regard to **Bricker’s** post until I’ve had a chance to discuss it with him by PM. Once he and I have arrived at whatever conclusion we arrive at, I will post what I have to say then. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/226 "2013-10-14T20:09:35Z")
Breath duly baited. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/227 "2013-10-14T20:12:08Z")
Bated. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/228 "2013-10-14T20:26:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Bated. Spoken by a true Master. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/229 "2013-10-14T20:28:47Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Bated. Thanks for letting us know. Did a school bus go by or something? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/230 "2013-10-14T20:34:00Z")
Do you honestly think that I’m bothered for one second by these childish taunts? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/231 "2013-10-14T20:34:13Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I’m sorry, **Hentor** , but what you say isn’t the whole truth. > > You endorse, either implicitly or explicitly, posts you agree with, and you subject posts you don’t agree with to rigorous examination. > > You have two sieves, two standards: one for conservatives and one for liberals. I’m sorry this upsets you, but it’s the naked truth. I see. And just which part of that renotely illustrates my alleged track record for misrepresentation? Even if what you say is true, is has nothing to do with your original charge. Nor does it undermine in any way my claim to employ an empirical approach. Nice fail. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/232 "2013-10-14T20:37:43Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you honestly think that I’m bothered for one second by these childish taunts? No. In fact it appears you have some sorta pride in your reputation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/233 "2013-10-14T20:38:52Z")
Under the circumstances, perhaps “naked truth” is not the most apt phrasing. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/234 "2013-10-14T20:40:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you honestly think that I’m bothered for one second by these childish taunts? Aw gee. Here I was, sure that they would initiate some kind of corrective cognitive awakening in you. _Dr. Hentor’s Guide to Insight through Insult_. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/235 "2013-10-14T20:41:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Do you honestly think that I’m bothered for one second by these childish taunts? I think that would require a degree of self-awareness that you manifestly do not possess, so no. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/236 "2013-10-15T03:35:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Or did he grow up to be a hysterical crackpot who must rely upon distortions, items plucked out of context and presented dishonestly, and/or outright lies in order to contend with perfectly obvious truths he didn’t like having to face, as have the majority of posters in this thread…OP included? No, just you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/237 "2013-10-15T16:03:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You have two sieves, two standards All sensible people do. For example, suppose that your last three conversations with John Doe were: [ol] [li]His description of the performance of _Hamlet_ he watched last week.[/li][li]His proposal that the current political situation be improved by a set of tax and spending adjustments.[/li][li]His arguments that reported encounters with ghosts, angels, and space aliens arise from a common psychological thread.[/li][/ol] Suppose also that your last three conversations with Richard Roe were: [ol] [li]His description of the _Jerry Springer_ episode he watched last week.[/li][li]His proposal that the current political situation be improved by marching on Washington and hanging every politician in sight.[/li][li]His arguments that that Apollo landings were faked by the government.[/li][/ol] When evaluating future statements by Mr. Doe and Mr. Roe, do you treat them as equivalent in default credibility? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/238 "2013-10-15T16:15:04Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > You’re much too kind. **Bricker** is a man who has learned to use the English language in order to hamper communication. He employs it as an obstacle to understanding and a blockade against comprehension. He is a dictionary lawyer, and a master of arguing from “Definition 2.” One remembers Rush Limbaugh defending “discrimination” on very much the same basis. [QUOTE=Bricker] “Weaselly” does not equal “imprecise.” [/QUOTE] The juxtaposition of these two quotes just made my day. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/239 "2013-10-16T16:42:44Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It’s hard to argue with this as a general principle, but since you so often post threads decrying liberal hypocrisy, I simply have to ask: > > During your time as a criminal defense attorney, did you ever attempt to impeach the credibility of a witness by pointing out times where that individual had been untruthful on other matters? If not you personally, is this not an accepted tactic in the courtroom? > > And why do you suppose it is acceptable to impeach a witness in court, where the stakes are real, but it is unacceptable during a debate, or even a mere Pitting, where there is literally nothing at stake? A lay witness testifies to things he’s personally seen or heard. When you attack his credibility, you’re specifically attacking just that: his supposed tendency to lie. Your question above confuses this – the tendency or willingness to lie – with what’s in play here: the accuracy of conclusions; the insightfulness of analysis. If someone says they had lunch with Halle Berry, that’s either a lie or the truth. If someone says unions have helped the economy, that’s not a lie in the sense that fabricating an encounter with Halle is, and isn’t correctly debated (or analyzed, even) by impeaching the character of the union-fan poster who says it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670.md?page=11)