# Go back into the cardboard tube you crawled out of, Starving Artist. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670 "2013-10-08T12:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/21 "2013-10-08T14:30:10Z")
The SA pile-on is bullshit, really. I didn’t pay too close attention because I don’t give a flying fuck about football or the Outrage of the Week, but I paid close enough attention to actually get the point he was trying to make. I’m of the impression he got pilloried partly because he holds other contemptible views and is prone to profound right-wing absurdities and glurge and partly because he had the temerity to hold to a view of whatshisface’s innocence. You could turn the whole bullshit kerfuffle on its ear by simply changing the nature of things. Not a molestation case but a simple murder, and have SA proclaiming the innocence of someone because IHHO they couldn’t have stabbed the victim at such-and-such an angle based on what the witness was seeing at the time. Once you lose the heightened shrillness of it being about kids his point, whether or not you disagree with it, is easy to see. To paint him with a scandalous brush is reprehensible, particularly when there are so many other vapid, objectionable, and idiotic things to pit him for. This pitting is particularly exemplary of the malignant mindset. He pointed out facts and made corrections. There is no paedophilia or pederast content. The OP is a bullshit attack. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/22 "2013-10-08T14:38:22Z")
I don’t know about this Woody Allen thing but there was no bullshit in the Sandusky pile-on. His remarks in that thread were _at best_ moronic and at worst outright excusal of sexual assault on a child. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/23 "2013-10-08T14:39:38Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > OK, but as we are not in court and Starkers is being judged in the Pit, can we include prior bad acts and extrinsic evidence? Shtarker! Zis is ze SDMB! Ve do not play with cardboard tubes! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/24 "2013-10-08T14:42:14Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or is this one of those, “Hey, Woody Allen is bad, so any accusation made against him, regardless of accuracy, must be applauded and not rebutted, or else!” Probably not. Liberals **like** Woody Allen, generally speaking. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/25 "2013-10-08T14:44:35Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > This pitting is particularly exemplary of the malignant mindset. He pointed out facts and made corrections. There is no paedophilia or pederast content. The OP is a bullshit attack. **kayaker** sums it up pretty well: > [@kayaker](#): > > OK, but as we are not in court and Starkers is being judged in the Pit, can we include prior bad acts and extrinsic evidence? This isn’t court. In my book (and I obviously don’t speak for everybody), most folks get a certain amount of benefit of the doubt. But once that’s used up, you get no more until you’ve prove you’ve actually changed your ways. At this point, it’s incredibly fair game to ask why **SA** would even pick that particular nit. Tying it to his past posting record is fair. Judging each post in isolation on its own merits is great in theory but it wouldn’t work in practice on some long-time posters. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/26 "2013-10-08T14:45:47Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > The SA pile-on is bullshit, really. I didn’t pay too close attention because I don’t give a flying fuck about football or the Outrage of the Week, but I paid close enough attention to actually get the point he was trying to make. I’m of the impression he got pilloried partly because he holds other contemptible views and is prone to profound right-wing absurdities and glurge and partly because he had the temerity to hold to a view of whatshisface’s innocence. …but **mostly** because his argument was so bizarre and ridiculous, like the spectacle of OJ Simpson straining to fail to put on the glove. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/27 "2013-10-08T14:47:19Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Last I know, he was still utterly convinced Paterno didn’t spy Sandusky molesting a kid, but “innocent horseplay” between a naked adult and a naked kid. What, like with [Michael Jackson](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=703755)? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/28 "2013-10-08T14:51:56Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > OK, but as we are not in court and Starkers is being judged in the Pit, can we include prior bad acts and extrinsic evidence? Absolutely. You just can’t include an act that isn’t pedophilia and call it pedophilia because the fancy strikes you. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/29 "2013-10-08T14:54:29Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Short version : back during the Penn. State pedophilia hullaballooh, \*\*Starving \*\*was adamantly convinced of Joe Paterno’s innocence and asserted that it was physically impossible for a grown man such as Jerry Sanduski to buttfuck a kid in the showers, because the angles would be all wrong, you see ? > He then enjoined other posters to try and see for themselves, using a paper towel tube in lieu of a 10 year old. I’ll tell you what is _physically impossible_: Getting an adult penis in a paper towel tube. Too narrow. If SA can do it, then that tells us more than we needed to know. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/30 "2013-10-08T14:54:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Absolutely. You just can’t include an act that isn’t pedophilia and call it pedophilia because the fancy strikes you. Well, technically you can, and then other posters can call BS on it. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/31 "2013-10-08T14:56:32Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > The SA pile-on is bullshit, really. I didn’t pay too close attention because I don’t give a flying fuck about football or the Outrage of the Week, but I paid close enough attention to actually get the point he was trying to make. I’m of the impression he got pilloried partly because he holds other contemptible views and is prone to profound right-wing absurdities and glurge and partly because he had the temerity to hold to a view of whatshisface’s innocence. > > You could turn the whole bullshit kerfuffle on its ear by simply changing the nature of things. Not a molestation case but a simple murder, and have SA proclaiming the innocence of someone because IHHO they couldn’t have stabbed the victim at such-and-such an angle based on what the witness was seeing at the time. Once you lose the heightened shrillness of it being about kids his point, whether or not you disagree with it, is easy to see. To paint him with a scandalous brush is reprehensible, particularly when there are so many other vapid, objectionable, and idiotic things to pit him for. > > This pitting is particularly exemplary of the malignant mindset. He pointed out facts and made corrections. There is no paedophilia or pederast content. The OP is a bullshit attack. Yes, I disagree with Starving Artist on his stand on the impossibility of man on boy shower sex. I disagree with Starving Artist on his stand on race, I disagree on Starving Artist’s stance on the role of women. I disagree on Starving Artist’s stance on crime, education and a host of many other things. As I have already said, I’m not basing this pitting on any one post. I repeat: He is a vile little man. In all respects. He should die of shame. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/32 "2013-10-08T15:03:24Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I repeat: He is a vile little man. In all respects. He should die of shame. Whoa, hold on there; not before we hear his thoughts on Roman Polanski, surely. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/33 "2013-10-08T15:12:34Z")
Can we just say that both Mia and Woody suck and leave it at that? And that we all know that SA is an asshole and again leave it at that? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/34 "2013-10-08T15:19:29Z")
Is it **Starving Artist** ’s birthday or something? The OP just gave him the gift of yet another thread where he can go on and on about with Penn State horsecrap and whine about how unfaaaaaaaair everybody is. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/35 "2013-10-08T15:24:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Is it **Starving Artist** ’s birthday or something? The OP just gave him the gift of yet another thread where he can go on and on about with Penn State horsecrap and whine about how unfaaaaaaaair everybody is. It was because he was gone and now he’s back. And he needs to be gone again. This is what prompted this OP. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/36 "2013-10-08T15:25:22Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Can we just say that both Mia and Woody suck and leave it at that? And that we all know that SA is an asshole and again leave it at that? Too late. **SA** is compelled to defend to the death every assertion he makes, no matter how preposterous, and there will be at least four or five posters who feel compelled to respond equally. This will add, at a minimum, 500 posts to the thread, at least 20% of which will consist of **SA** restating the same assertions he made in his first post. Sorry, that’s just how things work around here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/37 "2013-10-08T15:26:22Z")
So, what does the Penn State stuff have to do with Woody Allen? If the OP wants to pit **SA** for the Penn State affair, WTF is this bullshit reference to the WA thread? Heh-heh-heh. He said “woody”. Heh-heh! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/38 "2013-10-08T15:26:47Z")
… and there will be seven or eight commenting on how stupid and useless it is to engage **SA** , not realizing that for those four or five, they’re just having fun. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/39 "2013-10-08T15:29:00Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > You could turn the whole bullshit kerfuffle on its ear by simply changing the nature of things. Not a molestation case but a simple murder, and have SA proclaiming the innocence of someone because IHHO they couldn’t have stabbed the victim at such-and-such an angle based on what the witness was seeing at the time. I bet you believe the [Single Bullet Theory](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sbt_critics.jpg), too. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/40 "2013-10-08T15:29:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Yes, I disagree with Starving Artist on his stand on the impossibility of man on boy shower sex. I think that’s what I find shameful. A disagreement regarding the _physical impossibility_ has been expanded into something completely different–it’s been contorted as an in-joke to imply that there is a lascivious desire, one seemingly made up out of whole cloth. Again, I didn’t follow the case at all and didn’t wade through all fifty jillion posts in the thread. But when I did look, all I found were repeated attempts to explain how it would have been impossible blah blah, and here’s how/why blah blah, not an iota of the prurient overtones in the original, just projections by attackers who didn’t like his opinion. As an analogy, I think 9/11 Truthers are nuts. Do I think their contorted theories about how thermite must have taken down the buildings means they are closet pyromaniacs and want to destroy other buildings? Not a chance. ETA: On a side note, making the occasional crack at things is a wholly different story. If people didn’t jump on the chance to shove ‘paper towel tube’ into threads where they disagree with him it would be very different. Case in point if the ‘on his stand’ in the quoted post was a joke, it was exhale-through-the-nose worthy. But that’s a very different thing from the stream of baseless attacks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670.md?page=3)