# Go back into the cardboard tube you crawled out of, Starving Artist. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670 "2013-10-08T12:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/81 "2013-10-09T00:51:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Absolutely. No argument there. > > Of course. The context is, “That [subject] is pedophilia.” The discussion concerns pedophilia. Thank you. That’s how I meant it. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/82 "2013-10-09T01:43:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > :D:D:D > > So in your opinion these two adults should have consulted with the woman’s fifteen years younger 4 1/2-year-old adoptive brother before beginning their relationship to see if he might find it “creepy”? Or maybe, just maybe, don’t pursue the relationship in the first place. It’s not like he has a shortage of women he could be dating anyway. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/83 "2013-10-09T01:53:14Z")
I remember he was once asked if money and fame made his love life any easier and he said yes, now he struck out with a much better class of women. I find a lot of his humor appealing, but when he veers into themes of sexual humiliation, all I got is a major\* ick!\* factor. So it wouldn’t be that hard for me to believe this latest stuff. On the other hand, recent development about that reliability of memory, and especially childhood memory, give me pause. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/84 "2013-10-09T02:58:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Trust me No. You fucking turn my stomach. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/85 "2013-10-09T05:22:42Z")
I must admit your post has given me pause… I’m not quite sure whether to frame it with a blue ribbon or a gold one. But, putting that aside, there can be only two explanations for such a feeling on your part: Either like **BigGirl** and some of the other posters in this thread you suffer from an over-emotional, semi-hysterical mindset when confronted with behavior or beliefs you find viscerally objectionable, and therefore like her and them you lack proper ability at reading comprehension and therefore read all manner of nonsense into my thoughts, beliefs and statements that not only were never intended but had never occurred to me in the first place. Or you’re the type of person I talked about earlier who, having decided someone is guilty of child sex abuse, thinks only a pervert or fellow pedophile would even want to know about the evidence let alone look into it, and who, having been informed of exculpatory evidence proving the accused to be innocent (and unquestionably so in the case of Woody Allen re Soon-Yi Previn), reacts not with appreciation for the evidence that acquits the innocent, but with resentment that it was raised in the first place and by assigning pedophilic motives to the person presenting it, while quite happily remaining convinced of their belief that the accused is guilty. Thus, in the case of the former, you’re merely an overly emotional nitwit unable to properly interpret the meaning of words right in front of your face, and in the case of the latter you are a truly vile and reprehensible person for whom the word evil is not an exaggeration, for you care nothing for the truth and would willingly and quite happily treat both the innocent accused and his defender as though they were guilty through and through. And if that isn’t evil, I don’t know what is. What I do know though, is that an entire court system and rules of evidence have put in place specifically to thwart people like you and to keep perfectly innocent people from being cheerfully lynched in the town square. And you claim I make you sick! It is to laugh! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/86 "2013-10-09T19:57:51Z")
He just doesn’t get it. And he never, ever will. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/87 "2013-10-09T20:37:22Z")
For a non-pedophile, he certainly spends a lot of time pondering how to butt-rape little boys in the shower, doesn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/88 "2013-10-09T20:56:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > For a non-pedophile, he certainly spends a lot of time pondering how to butt-rape little boys in the shower, doesn’t he? Only in 10-15 minute increments. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/89 "2013-10-09T23:42:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Absolutely. You just can’t include an act that isn’t pedophilia and call it pedophilia because the fancy strikes you. What are you talking about? He’s a bicycle lover and clearly a pedalphile. ---
**Author:** ![Karrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/71c47a/32.png) [@Karrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karrius)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/90 "2013-10-09T23:52:15Z")
I’m curious if the conservatives of this board are embarrassed to have one of their loudest, most obvious members somebody who is a likely child-rapist, and is a proven racist and misogynist. I mean, I’m embarrassed to be reading a board with him on it, but I unfortunately it doesn’t seem he’ll go away. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/91 "2013-10-09T23:58:04Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > I’m curious if the conservatives of this board are embarrassed to have one of their loudest, most obvious members somebody who is a likely child-rapist, and is a proven racist and misogynist. > > I mean, I’m embarrassed to be reading a board with him on it, but I unfortunately it doesn’t seem he’ll go away. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/92 "2013-10-10T00:14:12Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > What are you talking about? He’s a bicycle lover and clearly a pedalphile. He also uses a pedometer. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/93 "2013-10-10T00:16:08Z")
He grossed me out so much in the Sandusky thread that I decided then not to read his posts anymore. His lascivious and detailed fantasies about exactly how the shower rape could have happened, IF it happened, which, in his opinion, it didn’t, were just… gross. Really gross. He is gross. Gross. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/94 "2013-10-10T00:23:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > To the rest of you, I can see that, having been deprived of your false convictions and left with little choice but to suck it up and acknowledge that Woody Allen was indeed never married to Mia Farrow; that he never lived in her house; that he never adopted nor functioned in any way as father to Soon-Yi Previn; and that Soon-Yi was actually older than Mia Farrow was at the time her sexual relationship with Frank Sinatra began, you are reduced now to having to make lame assertions along the lines of “Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah? Well…well…he’s still creepy (for this or that reason that somehow never survives the light of day), and so are you for defending him!” It is this level of detail that I find most telling. It’s the sign of a good Internet Weirdo. They get so obsessed with every little detail of whatever their topic is that they assume that everyone they talk to is equally well informed. It’s the fact that you KNOW off the top of your head all of these piddly details about a topic that the rest of us find, at most, sort of icky, that is most creepy. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/95 "2013-10-10T00:24:21Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > He grossed me out so much in the Sandusky thread that I decided then not to read his posts anymore. His lascivious and detailed fantasies about exactly how the shower rape could have happened, IF it happened, which, in his opinion, it didn’t, were just… gross. Really gross. He is gross. > > Gross. Even before then he was so gross it was almost unreal. I recounted a story of my late mom who was forced to get my dad’s permission after she married and wanted to open up a bank account in her new name in 1967. SA defended the sexism of treating a 24 year old woman like a child of course. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/96 "2013-10-10T00:37:44Z")
Winning! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/97 "2013-10-10T01:46:44Z")
> [@Karrius](#): > > I’m curious if the conservatives of this board are embarrassed to have one of their loudest, most obvious members somebody who is a likely child-rapist, and is a proven racist and misogynist. As a non-conservative of this board, I have to note that I don’t think I have ever considered **Starving Artist** to be meaningfully representative of the board’s conservatives, no matter how loud or obvious he may be in his self-proclaimed conservatism. I also have to note that I’ve never found the speculations about his own possible involvement with child molestation to be particularly persuasive. Nor do I think that racism and misogyny are particularly salient traits in most of his posts, although it doesn’t surprise me that examples of them can be found. What I think makes **Starving Artist** absolutely _sui generis_ is the extent of what **Hentor the Barbarian** has called “the intersection of functionally crazy and functionally stupid” that he brings to the table. (If you want to see an illustration of that quality in all its glory, check out the content and subsequent follow-ups of, pardon my bragging, [this award-winning post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15518113&postcount=4246).) **Kimstu** _2013 SDMB Golden Paper Towel Tube Laureate_ ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/98 "2013-10-10T02:11:06Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Winning! I’m laughing… and _Loach_ is _ **Winning!** _ another _2013 SDMB Golden Paper Towel Tube Laureate_ award. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/99 "2013-10-10T02:41:00Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I’m laughing… and _Loach_ is _ **Winning!** _ another _2013 SDMB Golden Paper Towel Tube Laureate_ award. Well-deserved, too. Actually, **Loach** is the sole 2013 Laureate; my award was actually in 2012 but I didn’t spot the typo in time to edit it. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670/100 "2013-10-10T03:26:04Z")
Just for the record, I do make jokes about Starving being a pedo, but I have no real belief that he actually is. I also do not put these forward as my proudest contributions. They’re low and unfair, I admit, but suppose I must be too because they amuse me. Having said that, the dude clearly invests a hell of a lot of time and effort in thinking up exculpatory arguments regarding overt child sexual abuse or generally creepy sexual acts by older guys. The rest of his board contributions are only slightly less reprehensible. By the way, I believe that I myself am the governing body and sole voting member of the Golden Paper Towel Tube Award Committee, since I made it up. Announcements of winners beyond 2012 are premature and fraudulent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-back-into-the-cardboard-tube-you-crawled-out-of-starving-artist/670670.md?page=6)