# Go, Ramseys, go!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 25, 2003, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932 "2003-12-25T00:05:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/21 "2003-12-26T14:42:42Z")
By the time I got to this… > [@](#): > > Even if they settle this case, they’ll have to admit that they’re muckraking liars with no journalistic standards. …I forgot what news agency was being pitted. ---
**Author:** ![RTA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@RTA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTA)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/22 "2003-12-26T15:37:19Z")
Aren’t the Ramseys opening themselves up to the taint of further examination of this case in a court of law? After all, though the prosecutors and judge say the evidence is _more_ consistent with the _theory of_ an intruder, there’s still nothing that rules out a member of the family, right? They must feel pretty confident of a big payday, otherwise I don’t understand why they would put themselves back in the papers. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/23 "2003-12-26T15:57:57Z")
There’s also nothing that rules out a family member _being_ the “intruder”. After all, who would be best able to enter the Ramsey’s house after dark, go upstairs, take the kid, get her to that hidden room in the basement, kill her, and not wake up the Ramsey family? How would an intruder know about the hidden room to find it so quickly? After all, wasn’t the reason it took so long to find JonBenet’s body that it was in that ‘hidden room’ in the basement? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/24 "2003-12-26T16:19:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > \*\*Actually there doesn’t appear to be actual evidence of an intruder. > > I was in Colorado for Christmas the year of the murder and I followed the case afterwards. I would really like to see whoever killed that child caught and punished. > > It was a lame OP. \*\* Actually, there [IS](http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/11/jonbenet/) evidence of an intruder. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by RTA_ > **Aren’t the Ramseys opening themselves up to the taint of further examination of this case in a court of law?** What further examination is possible? They’ve been investigated up the whazoo as it is. There’s nothing there. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Catsix_ > \*\*There’s also nothing that rules out a family member being the “intruder”. > > After all, who would be best able to enter the Ramsey’s house after dark, go upstairs, take the kid, get her to that hidden room in the basement, kill her, and not wake up the Ramsey family? How would an intruder know about the hidden room to find it so quickly? After all, wasn’t the reason it took so long to find JonBenet’s body that it was in that ‘hidden room’ in the basement?\*\* I always found this “hidden room” thing a little specious. I’m pretty sure I could find a secluded spot in a big house if I was really looking for one. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/25 "2003-12-26T16:22:18Z")
Yes, but could you do it at night while people are sleeping in the house while dragging around a struggling six year old without waking anyone up? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/26 "2003-12-26T16:25:04Z")
Sure, if she was dead. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/27 "2003-12-26T16:54:01Z")
Nope, no evidence of an intruder. Just evidence that there “might” have been an intruder. Same kind of “evidence” that could/would be found at your house or mine. evidence - 1. provide evidence for; stand as proof of; (wishing don’t make it so) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/28 "2003-12-26T17:02:12Z")
DNA on the body that doesn’t belong to either of the parents is pretty solid evidence of an intruder. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/29 "2003-12-26T17:19:16Z")
I really think the Ramsey’s should just _go away_. Whether they did it or not, the majority of public opinion is that they did it. They should just slink back into obscurity and be thankful they’re not in prison. But hey, at least they aren’t promising to use the money they’re going to win from the FNC (and they will win) to find the true killer. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/30 "2003-12-26T17:24:54Z")
[I DARE YOU TO CLICK THIS!](http://www.foxnews.com/) MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! Their clearly slanted reporting of the Iranian earthquake makes my blood boil! But seriously, folks, there is not much to see there most of the time. BTW, this lawsuit is iffy. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/31 "2003-12-26T21:36:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*DNA on the body that doesn’t belong to either of the parents is pretty solid evidence of an intruder. \*\* Or that she was licked by a puppy dog. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/32 "2003-12-26T22:04:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*What a hypocritical thread. **Diogenes the Dipshit** is all about waiting for the final verdict before passing judgement, huh? Let’s get all the facts before we start assigning blame. Good idea, unless it’s [Kobe Bryant](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216448) we’re talking about, huh? What a dork. \*\* Let’s be fair, **Brutus** , there is a difference between expressing an opinion, as **Dio** did and reporting something unsubstantiated as fact, as Fox did. At least the trial, if there is one, _may_ establish that they did. More likely Fox will settle for an “undisclosed” amount and put the whole thing to rest. What follows is just an opinion, not reportage. I’ve suspected from early on that JonBenet was murdered by her brother, and that the Ramseys have been protecting him. It has never been explained to my satisfaction how an intruder got into the Ramsey house without leaving any tracks in the snow. An anti-gravity belt maybe? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/33 "2003-12-26T23:49:22Z")
> [@](#): > > _Says **asterion** _ > Does anyone really give a fuck anymore? > [@](#): > > \*Says **Dio** > \*Not really. I was just feeling some schadenfreude over Fox News getting sued. Again, a nice sentiment. Merry fucking Christmas. It’s a dead child, folks. Do we need to reduce ourselves to this? **Dio** , I’m disappointed in you. I know you don’t give a shit, but I’m really, really disappointed in you. Way to pick at a wound. Especially one that involves a dead child. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/34 "2003-12-27T03:37:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DesertGeezer \* > \*\*I’ve suspected from early on that JonBenet was murdered by her brother, and that the Ramseys have been protecting him. \*\* I thought I was the only one. It’s the only explanation that makes any sense, the only explanation that makes the subsequent actions of all the parties understandable. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/35 "2003-12-27T04:34:05Z")
Well, if he did it, he cannot be protected because he knows he did it and a person doesn’t ever “deal” with something like that or get over it. (Unless he’s a sociopath, in which case they would really be making a mistake) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/36 "2003-12-27T05:37:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Missy2U \* > \*\*Again, a nice sentiment. Merry fucking Christmas. > > It’s a dead child, folks. Do we need to reduce ourselves to this? **Dio** , I’m disappointed in you. I know you don’t give a shit, but I’m really, really disappointed in you. Way to pick at a wound. Especially one that involves a dead child. \*\* I’m not callous to the fact that a child was murdered, especially since I have a four year old daughter myself. Part of what bothered me about the media’s finger pointing at the Ramseys was the utter lack of consideration for them as victims and as grieving parents, which as far as we know, is _all_ that they were (and are). I think that the parents in a case like this should be given the respect and compassion due to the victims of such a sickening crime unless and until it can be substantially shown that they are _not_ victims. ---
**Author:** ![Nurobath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Nurobath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nurobath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932/37 "2003-12-27T05:51:32Z")
Not to hijack the thread or anything but… **Beagle** , what exactly about the Fox report of the Iranian earthquake is making your “blood boil”? I’ve been hearing similar reports all day from various other news networks. As to the OP. I think that it would be great if the authorities could figure out who did it but, at this point, I just don’t see that happening. I can’t believe they’re suing Fox over that little quote when I still see their faces on the cover of the National Enquierer at least every few months with new theories at to how Mom or Dad killed her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-ramseys-go/220932.md?page=1)