# Go to hell, American Family Association! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2006, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397 "2006-09-04T13:56:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/21 "2006-09-05T12:56:32Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] I personally appreciated the headline of one of the California newspapers on Sept 12. (San Jose? San Francisco? I don’t remember which one.) It had a picture of the towers on fire and only one word in the headline: **BASTARDS!** Pretty appropriate, under the circumstances. [/QUOTE] As a coworker of mine said, “you know, being ‘illegitimate’ and all, I don’t usually use this as an insult… but heck, those are some damn crazy bastards!” ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/22 "2006-09-05T17:22:31Z")
Well, the CBS affiliate in Orlando(ish) plans to show the documentary. Can’t the FCC come out with a statement, that the profanity is within context and stations will not face fines? Although I’m a bit wary of requesting the blessing of the FCC before airing questionable programming, it might shut the AFA up ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/23 "2006-09-05T17:33:02Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Well, the CBS affiliate in Orlando(ish) plans to show the documentary. Can’t the FCC come out with a statement, that the profanity is within context and stations will not face fines? Although I’m a bit wary of requesting the blessing of the FCC before airing questionable programming, it might shut the AFA up [/QUOTE] Trust me, nothing will shut the AFA up. Besides, they already have the ‘Sam’s Club used the word holiday instead of christmas in their first holday ads this year!’ fight to hold them through at least the end of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/24 "2006-09-05T17:34:43Z")
Forgot to add, they would just say that the FCC being ok with the airing was a sign of the decline of morality in the US and likely find a way to show that it’s pushing the gay agenda and promoting abortion. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/25 "2006-09-05T17:54:22Z")
You forgot puppy-killing. Don’t forget that one. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/26 "2006-09-05T20:06:55Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] If you cannot say ‘fuck’ when a plane hits a skyscraper and is burning out of control, then when can you? [/QUOTE] It’s always appropriate when being introduced to Donald Wildmon in a formal setting. Viz: “Very pleased to make your acquaintance, you fuck.” ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2006, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/27 "2006-09-06T08:13:54Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] It’s always appropriate when being introduced to Donald Wildmon in a formal setting. Viz: “Very pleased to make your acquaintance, you fuck.” [/QUOTE] Miss Manners says that proper etiquette requires you to punctuate the “fuck” with a jerkpunch. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/28 "2006-09-06T13:24:56Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] If that’s the case, they might as well call themselves the ANTI-Family Association. [/QUOTE] American Fuckwad Association would be better still. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/29 "2006-09-06T13:28:35Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] American Fuckwad Association would be better still. [/QUOTE] I am offended by your use of the word “American” in this context. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2006, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/30 "2006-09-09T10:28:46Z")
[Court tells FCC, “Grab some wood, there, bub.”](http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/networktv/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003118234) > [@](#): > > A federal court on Thursday stayed findings that fleeting expletives in four broadcasts violated indecency law. Both sides in the litigation that could become a test case for stepped-up indecency enforcement said they welcomed the action by the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York. > > Network attorneys believe the stay while it is in force effectively keeps the Federal Communications Commission from penalizing fleeting expletives. An FCC official said the stay applies only narrowly – to the four broadcasts at issue. Now, here’s a question for you: If the final ruling on the matter (SCOTUS, I’m sure) goes against the networks, are we going to suddenly see a rash of news stories which paint the Republicans, and Bush in particular, in a very bad light? ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2006, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/31 "2006-09-09T11:16:55Z")
[Working link](http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/networktv/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003118234). Robin ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/32 "2006-09-09T21:42:26Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Miss Manners says that proper etiquette requires you to punctuate the “fuck” with a jerkpunch. [/QUOTE] Roll him over and make it a donkeypunch. Then post it on the AFA website for all of the faithful to behold. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2006, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/33 "2006-09-09T21:51:48Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Now, here’s a question for you: If the final ruling on the matter (SCOTUS, I’m sure) goes against the networks, are we going to suddenly see a rash of news stories which paint the Republicans, and Bush in particular, in a very bad light? [/QUOTE] You mean, they’re not doing that now? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/34 "2006-09-10T02:01:36Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] If you cannot say ‘fuck’ when a plane hits a skyscraper and is burning out of control, then when can you? [/QUOTE] To paraphrase Lewis Black, if you see a plane hit a skyscraper and you DON’T say the word “fuck,” you have anger issues. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/35 "2006-09-10T03:08:25Z")
[According to the American Family Association](http://www.afa.net/Petitions/IssueDetail.asp?id=209) the documentary _9//11_ contains “hardcore profanity”. Now I’ve got to wonder about that. My impression is that the show has stuff like some guy saying “Holy shit!” when the first plane hits the World Trade Center, maybe some uses of the word “fuck” in its various conjugations. Does anybody in this show in fact use words, phrases, or concepts like uncle-fucking, ass-licking, goat-felching, smegma-encrusted, camel-buggering, sucking a syphillitic donkey’s cock, the insertion of running jigsaws into buttholes, bukkake, bukkake involving nuns, bukkake involving the Pope, bukkake involving the Virgin Mary, or bukkake involving Jesus Christ? For that matter, does anybody in the show refer to such quaint expressions of obscenity as [eating one’s own shit and drinking one’s own piss](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings%2018:27;&version=31;), or [women lusting after men with donkey cocks who come like horses](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=33&chapter=23&verse=20&version=31&context=verse)? I really think Donald Wildmon must lead a pretty sheltered life. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/36 "2006-09-10T06:29:14Z")
“Hardcore profanity” is probably much more concerned about taking God’s name in vain or cursing than it is about obscenity or vulgarity. A number of years ago, Zondervaan, the big bible/spirituality publisher out of Grand Rapids, MI bought out one of ther smaller New York publishers. I recall an interview with one of the smaller publisher’s writers in which he expressed surprise over the new editorial standards. He has several instances of borderline soft porn and quite a bit of violence in his next novel along with a number of “earthy” epithets (I think he wrote detective stuff) and he never heard a peep out of them, but they were adamant that he remove a couple of "God damn"s and "Jesus Christ!"s from his work. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/37 "2006-09-10T06:48:26Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] I skimmed the article and couldn’t find the documentary’s title. I don’t have cable, but I’d like to see it. Is there anywhere I could purchase the unnamed documentary in question? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] Thanks to those that filled me in. Unfortunately, I don’t have cable (or even the basic channels), so I’d have to buy the DVD myself. [/QUOTE] What do you mean you don’t have ‘even the basic channels’? If you can watch a DVD, you have a tv set. If you have a tv set, you get CBS. It’s a network. It’s free. It comes over the airwaves. Paid for by commercials. CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, FOX, all free. You don’t need to buy any ‘basic television package’ to watch these channels. Bunny ears may help, though. My apologies if you plan to watch that DVD on your computer or at a friend’s house, but in that case it seems like you would say _I don’t have a tv_, not \* I don’t get basic channels\*. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/38 "2006-09-10T14:40:28Z")
I think the AFA has a point, actually. There’s really no reason why the broadcast can’t be just as dramatic and powerful without the profanity. But they really should trim out the dying people, too. Heck, let’s lose the planes—I always thought they added an unnecessary and downbeat element to the whole production. Throw in some fairies and a talking teapot. Now _there’s_ a tragic event the whole family can enjoy! The American Family Association: Delivering us from evil since 1977 (until the Rapture). ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/39 "2006-09-10T16:51:14Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Throw in some fairies and a talking teapot. [/QUOTE] SATAN WORSHIPPER! ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397/40 "2006-09-10T22:26:55Z")
I thought this show was going to be on tomorrow night and so I figured I would miss it, as I had a prior obligation. But it’s tonight, and although I’d intended going to bed early(gotta get up in the wee small hours for work tomorrow) I’m going to watch this. There’s sure to be warnings about the language, so nobody will be able to say little Johnny was corrupted by TV. When Ford sponsored the first network showing of _Schindler’s List_ I wondered what would be cut. But the president of Ford, and then Spielberg himself, were on beforehand, speaking about the movie. Spielberg said that he couldn’t make the movie “softer” without being true to the horror that went on, and that parents have to make the decision whether or not to let their kids watch. His own kids, he said, of elementary school age, had not seen the film, but he thought highschool kids could. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-american-family-association/371397.md?page=3)