# Go To Hell, Chumpsky **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430 "2003-01-09T02:43:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/61 "2003-01-13T04:51:21Z")
Hey, Chumpsky? Did he say that nuking Hiroshima was justified? He may or may not believe that it was justified. But that is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether Stalin murdering, imprisoning, starving, and annihilating large sections of Soviet citizenry was justified. You claim it was justified, right? Since it was all for the good of the workers? First, let’s talk about what a fucked-up thing it is to justify that. Then, maybe we’ll start another thread about nuking Hiroshima, and whether it is fucked-up (or not) to justify THAT. So, that means no Hiroshima talk, lets get back to talking about whether you are an inhuman monster or not. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/62 "2003-01-13T04:57:03Z")
So how can you justify the Red Terror, but (I’m assuming here, please correct me if I’m wrong) condemn the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings? Hypocrisy works two ways, **Chumpsky**. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2003, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/63 "2003-01-13T08:21:19Z")
Never heard about “The White Terror” (1918 in Finland and Gemany)? IF not, I can give You a cite about the Finnish one. Let by just say that when brother begins a war against brother there are terrible acts. I think there is some examples of that in the US history also, Your civil war. About the German one I can look for. Henry And btw., where do find anyone not condemning Stalin? ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/64 "2003-01-14T01:03:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chumpsky \* > \*\*Interesting. Especially in light of your support for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. > \*\* Quote me, fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/65 "2003-01-14T01:13:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Henry B \* > \*\*Never heard about “The White Terror” (1918 in Finland and Gemany)? > IF not, I can give You a cite about the Finnish one. Let by just say that when brother begins a war against brother there are terrible acts. I think there is some examples of that in the US history also, Your civil war. > About the German one I can look for. > > Henry > > And btw., where do find anyone not condemning Stalin? \*\* Yes, the White Terror in the Finnish civil war was quite a terrible time of mass murder. Like you said, civil wars are oftentimes some of the most brutal. And, Henry, it’s not that people don’t condemn Stalin, it’s that people try to minimize his criminality. It’s like the people who say Hitler was naive of the Holocaust and actually didn’t hate Jews, you know? ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430/66 "2003-01-14T09:25:40Z")
**Daoloth** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154849&perpage=40&pagenumber=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154849&perpage=40&pagenumber=2) You can read what I wrote about USSR/ **Stalin** /Russia here. I think there can be some interesting points. My posts are in three parts. If You want more info about it, that is not found in books, I can write more about it. For those that are interested in White Terrorism, there is a quite good description in [http://personal.inet.fi/koti/heinrich.pesch/stites.html](http://personal.inet.fi/koti/heinrich.pesch/stites.html) > [@](#): > > In 1809 the country became an autonomous part of the Russian Empire while keeping Swedish-style civil institutions. Attempts at Russification under Nicholas II met with resistance, Russian terrorists found support from Finnish socialists and the General-Governor Bobrikov was assassinated. The Bolshevik Government under Lenin conceded in December 1917 to Finnish independence. During the spring of 1918 the Whites, a German supported coalition of nationalists and agrarians won the civil war against the Reds, the left fraction of the socialists, many of whom fled to Russia or perished in concentration camps if not executed by White firing squads. The fate of 20-30 000 Russian soldiers, who had surrendered to the Whites almost without resistance, was never completely resolved. They ‘disappeared’. In Vyborg (according to a TV-documentary) Whites collected civilians and asked them to count to three. If the person pronounced the word for ‘one’ - yksi in the Russian way as ‘uksi’, he or she was shot. My grandfather, even if he was not a socialist, just a worker trying to flee the fronts to Lappland, got caught and put in a concentration camp. His surviving is quite a story. Later he got 7 children which all were politically right. It was a taboo to speak about that grandpa had been in the camp. I heard the story first time, from my father, when I was 27 years old. End of hijacking. Henry [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-to-hell-chumpsky/147430.md?page=3)