# Go Trump, Go!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 13, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836 "2016-07-13T19:17:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/41 "2016-07-15T08:12:32Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > … > > Fox News has already set a tone and created an atmosphere that celebrates ignorance and bigotry. Fortunately, its influence has not been universal, but there are definitely people who feel that their ignorant, bigoted opinions are justified when they see them played out nightly on the T.V. news. Now imagine if it’s the President of the United States who says these things and adopts that tone. How many Muslim, Jewish, transgender and female Americans will suffer because of things that President Trump says? How much subtle bigotry will they experience through bullying, being denied jobs and educational opportunities, being made to feel oppressed in their own neighborhoods? **Maybe he won’t be able to keep Muslims out,** but with his influence will they be able to build a mosque, go to school or work in appropriate religious attire, or live in the neighborhood of their choice? How much violence against minorities will be sanctioned? How much tilting of the justice system? How much sexual assault? How many financial shenanigans? > … **bolding** mine Actually, [unless Congress removes such power](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/15/donald-trumps-almost-true-claim-that-the-president-has-power-to-ban-any-class-of-persons/) with a veto-proof majority, it looks like the president [does have authority](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182) under current immigration law to prohibit entry into the United States of groups of people as immigrants or as tourists. > [@8 U.S. Code § 1182](#): > > (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President > Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/42 "2016-07-15T09:37:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > For the love of whatever gods you believe in, _do not vote for Trump_. > > This kind of electoral recklessness is what gave us George W. Bush. We can’t afford another national mistake of that magnitude. Fuck that, vote for him ! Accelerate entropy ! Immanentize the eschaton ! Winter’s been coming for far too long already, I want the Ragnarök in my lifetime so I can tell my kids I was there. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/43 "2016-07-15T10:17:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That is poor logic, but what is not poor logic is wanting your guy to lose because he’d be bad for the country and party. If your party consistently picks candidates who you feel are bad for the country and the party, maybe it’s time to rethink why you support your party and whether you should support them at all. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/44 "2016-07-15T10:23:49Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > Exploiting and normalizing them. Just as there is a huge difference between an America in which people feel free to publicly abuse and mistreat LBGT Americans, and one in which bigotry still exists, but the public face of the country is tolerance and acceptance, there is a difference between an America in which we know that some people have racist and anti-Muslim views, but we still hold non-discrimination as a societal value, and one in which those views are publicly pronounced by the highest authority. > > My fear is that whether or not a President Trump could get his policies enacted into law, he can make them the common values of the country, with devastating consequences. Under those circumstances, whether the President who follows is a Democrat or a Republican is a secondary consideration. This is the most worrisome thing about Trump. To a certain extent, the President sets the tone of the country. What a Trump presidency will ultimately do is provide empowerment to the angry, uneducated, anti-intellectual and intolerant. The racism is not even the worst part IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/45 "2016-07-15T11:10:32Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > This is the most worrisome thing about Trump. To a certain extent, the President sets the tone of the country. What a Trump presidency will ultimately do is provide empowerment to the angry, uneducated, anti-intellectual and intolerant. The racism is not even the worst part IMHO. Yes, I agree. But in order for this horror-movie spectre called “a Trump presidency” to occur, the Orange One would have to win a general election. And as much as I criticize America frequently, on balance Americans are not that stupid and Trump supporters don’t represent the consensus of the American public, fortunately. Although if he had anywhere near as much money as he claimed he did, and was willing to spend it, and was sane enough to get the Kochs and Adelson and their ilk to support him, he could actually win. But since he doesn’t, and isn’t, he won’t. He’ll go back to screwing people on real estate, running slimy TV reality shows, and going bankrupt once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/46 "2016-07-15T11:29:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Roe v Wade isn’t going to be overturned, but it honestly wouldn’t bother me if it was. It should have been a policy issue decided by the legislatures, preferably of the states. > > I don’t understand the “problem” with the fact that there are lots of other justices like hime. He was confirmed for the federal bench almost unanimously by the Senate, and they know that’s a stepping stone to the SCOTUS. I think abortion is a matter of a woman’s right to privacy, and rights should not be subject to legislative review. If we’re stupid enough to elect Trump, you can be sure that Roe will be overturned. And gay marriage. But not to worry, you’ll be able to have all the guns you want. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/47 "2016-07-15T13:47:48Z")
Rather odd that so far Trump hasn’t stoked up the “pro-life” fanatics. He will, I don’t doubt, when things get more crunchy. But I still wonder why he hasn’t already. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/48 "2016-07-15T14:17:37Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Yes, I agree. But in order for this horror-movie spectre called “a Trump presidency” to occur, the Orange One would have to win a general election. And as much as I criticize America frequently, on balance Americans are not that stupid and Trump supporters don’t represent the consensus of the American public, fortunately. I really want to believe you, but forgive me if I appear cyanotic. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/49 "2016-07-15T15:47:40Z")
Smapti: > [@](#): > > For the love of whatever gods you believe in, do not vote for Trump. > > This kind of electoral recklessness is what gave us George W. Bush. Now, that’s just silly. Bush wasn’t some bombastic, race-baiting reality TV star, he was a twice-elected governor of a very populous state, running on domestic issues like education policy. Whatever you think of George W. Bush - both before he was elected, and after 9/11 changed the tone of his entire presidency - you can’t seriously think that he was elected out of recklessness. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/50 "2016-07-15T15:49:00Z")
BobLibDem: > [@](#): > > If we’re stupid enough to elect Trump, you can be sure that Roe will be overturned. If Reagan and two Bushes couldn’t manage to do it, how do you expect Trump to? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/51 "2016-07-15T15:58:04Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > BobLibDem: > > If Reagan and two Bushes couldn’t manage to do it, how do you expect Trump to? Joke answer(maybe): He’s Trump, he’ll just do it. And the SCOTUS will quail before his might. Serious answer: SCOTUS appointments. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/52 "2016-07-15T16:13:17Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Yes, I agree. But in order for this horror-movie spectre called “a Trump presidency” to occur, the Orange One would have to win a general election. And as much as I criticize America frequently, on balance Americans are not that stupid and Trump supporters don’t represent the consensus of the American public, fortunately. Right now he’s got about a one in three chance according to people who figure those things out and do it well. That is about 33% higher than a reasonable person should be comfortable with. The comparison to George W. Bush is insane. Bush was a seasoned politician and, whatever his failings and being the wrong person for the events of his Presidency, honestly wanted to be a good President. Donald Trump as President would make George W. Bush look like FDR. GWB was a thousand times the statesman Trump would be. If Trump were President and you made a list of all 45 Presidents from best to worst, the gap between #1 and #44 would be ten times smaller than the gap between #44 and Donald Trump. The only thing that would prevent him from doing incredible destruction to his own country and the world would be rapid impeachment. The election is VERY close. Trump has tapped into many angry people and is running against a candidate who would be regarded as one of the worst ever nominated were she not running against the very, very worst. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/53 "2016-07-15T16:18:09Z")
running coach: > [@](#): > > Serious answer: SCOTUS appointments. Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 all appointed conservative Supreme Court justices, and Roe hasn’t been overturned yet. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump, there’s no need for abortion fearmongering. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/54 "2016-07-15T16:25:38Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > running coach: > > Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 all appointed conservative Supreme Court justices, and Roe hasn’t been overturned yet. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump, there’s no need for abortion fearmongering. I was responding to a post that specified his potential to turn back abortion rights. There’s one empty seat and a potential for 2-3 appointments. Pence is as rabidly anti-abortion as they come. Trump may need to appease (a Republican) Senate with Scalia-like candidates. ---
**Author:** ![dofe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ba0ec/32.png) [@dofe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dofe)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/55 "2016-07-15T16:37:33Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > running coach: > > Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 all appointed conservative Supreme Court justices, and Roe hasn’t been overturned yet. There are plenty of reasons to not vote for Trump, there’s no need for abortion fearmongering. The Justices appointed by Reagan and Bushes 41 and 43 may not have overturned _Roe v. Wade_, but they certainly have eroded a lot of abortion rights piece by piece (or rather, case by case). State legislatures have also increasingly enacted restrictions on abortion procedures that, if not facially, practically roll back the rights set out in _Roe_. Some of these laws are already being challenged in federal district courts – and will eventually find their way to the Supreme Court. Saying that a Trump presidency would affect important issues like abortion rights is not fearmongering. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/56 "2016-07-15T16:42:48Z")
Go Trump, Go!!! Oh, that he would! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/57 "2016-07-15T16:50:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Does anyone really think that the Republican Party that neutered itself with a rusty railroad spike and decided that bowing down to Trump was worth the cost of winning the election would suddenly find it’s _cojones_ and move to impeach that tribble with a massive ass tumor if he did something that would/could injure this nation? If he gets elected the Republicans will back his ass up no matter _what_ he does, guaranteed. Now that Pence has been selected for VP, even a Trump impeachment would be bad. Pence is like Cruz, he’s extremely conservative and has gotten legislation passed. I don’t know if Trump would work hard to do anything or if he’d just play golf all day, but Pence would do his best to get abortion and gay marriage to be illegal or at least as restricted as possible. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/58 "2016-07-15T17:41:39Z")
running coach: > [@](#): > > Trump may need to appease (a Republican) Senate with Scalia-like candidates. Reagan actually appointed Scalia himself, as well as three other justices. Roe is still law of the land. Bush41 appointed two justices, one of whom is Clarence Thomas, aka Scalia’s sock puppet. Roe is still law of the land. Bush43 appointed two justices. Roe is still law of the land. Yes, conservative state legislatures have tried to legislate back-door abortion restrictions. The courts have consistently ruled them unconstitutional. Even if Trump wins and gets to replace Scalia plus another justice or two, I see no reason to think Roe is in any serious danger on the federal court level. (Of course, what state legislatures do wouldn’t be in President Trump’s domain anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/59 "2016-07-15T23:59:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Right now he’s got about a one in three chance according to people who figure those things out and do it well. That is about 33% higher than a reasonable person should be comfortable with. The comparison to George W. Bush is insane. Bush was a seasoned politician and, whatever his failings and being the wrong person for the events of his Presidency, honestly wanted to be a good President. Donald Trump as President would make George W. Bush look like FDR. GWB was a thousand times the statesman Trump would be. If Trump were President and you made a list of all 45 Presidents from best to worst, the gap between #1 and #44 would be ten times smaller than the gap between #44 and Donald Trump. The only thing that would prevent him from doing incredible destruction to his own country and the world would be rapid impeachment. > > The election is VERY close. Trump has tapped into many angry people and is running against a candidate who would be regarded as one of the worst ever nominated were she not running against the very, very worst. I agree with all of that. FTR, I didn’t compare Trump with GWB in this thread. When I’ve compared them in other discussions, I’ve expressed the same views that you have. GWB may have been a dumbass Texas village idiot, but he was a genius compared to Trump, and he was unquestionably well-intentioned and cared about his country. Trump is unreservedly an idiot with no mitigating qualities and cares only about himself. ---
**Author:** ![hermitcrab](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@hermitcrab](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hermitcrab)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836/60 "2016-07-17T00:23:29Z")
Hi, long time lurker, first time poster here: **Happy Fun Ball** , if you’re still tempted to step off that particular ledge, just wanted to remind you that Vladimir Putin called Trump “a really brilliant and talented person, without any doubt.” The DPRK (North Korea’s news/propaganda outfit) called him “a prescient presidential candidate.” [http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/vladimir-putin-just-made-a-massive-donald-trump-announcement/#ixzz4EcXWZuaZ](http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/vladimir-putin-just-made-a-massive-donald-trump-announcement/#ixzz4EcXWZuaZ) > **[North Korea says Trump isn't screwy at all, a wise choice for president](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S)** > > North Korea has backed presumptive U.S. Republican nominee Donald Trump, with a propaganda website praising him as "a prescient presidential candidate" who can liberate Americans living under daily fear of nuclear attack by the North. Just the thought of what are considered two of the world’s most dangerous leaders virtually cackling and rubbing their hands with glee over a Trump presidency is enough to give even the most insane person pause. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/go-trump-go/759836.md?page=2)