# Gobb is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604 "2025-10-02T16:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/81 "2025-10-03T01:40:55Z")
Hey, you guys know **WalterBishop** is a troll too, right? Why are y’all responding to him? It’s just one troll defending another. > [@robby](#): > > the Boy Scouts were described as an “elite paramilitary organization.” Actually, that was [Eagle Scouts](https://youtube.com/watch?v=8O29Rv2Yvow). ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/82 "2025-10-03T01:43:31Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > How? Do you think they’re posting all the right-wing drivel ironically, not actually meaning it, thinking we all understand they’re secretly mocking it? Isn’t Poe’s Law that trolling and honestly held extreme views are indistinguishable? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/83 "2025-10-03T01:59:55Z")
I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/84 "2025-10-03T02:14:46Z")
> [@robby](#): > > I had the same reaction to that as I did when in the original _Red Dawn_ movie, the Boy Scouts were described as an “elite paramilitary organization.” They must have heard about my Explorer Post, Tactical Air Control/Special Reconnaissance Exploring Field. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/85 "2025-10-03T02:27:59Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Hey, you guys know **WalterBishop** is a troll too, right? Why are y’all responding to him? It’s just one troll defending another. > > > [@robby](#): > > > > the Boy Scouts were described as an “elite paramilitary organization.” > > Actually, that was [Eagle Scouts](https://youtube.com/watch?v=8O29Rv2Yvow). Right, that is indeed what the quote in the movie specifically was. Of course, “Eagle Scouts” isn’t actually an organization, it’s a rank in Boy Scouts (now Scouts BSA). Although confusingly, the [National Eagle Scout Association (NESA)](https://nesa.org/) _is_ an organization, though a subsidiary of Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts of America). (Not that I would expect an invading Cuban colonel to appreciate the difference.) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/86 "2025-10-03T02:45:50Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Hey, you guys know **WalterBishop** is a troll too, right? Why are y’all responding to him? It’s just one troll defending another. I’ve always considered him more of a bigoted-sealioning trock, but you’re right, engaging any part of that Venn Diagram of Stupidity is probably useless. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/87 "2025-10-03T03:02:55Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Isn’t Poe’s Law that trolling and honestly held extreme views are indistinguishable? According to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law): > **Poe’s law** is an [adage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adage) of [Internet culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_culture) which says that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, any [parodic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody) or [sarcastic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm) expression of [extreme views](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism) can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views. Trolling seems like it’d probably count. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/88 "2025-10-03T06:18:12Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Ask for a cite on places like reddit and more often than not you just get told to fuck off. Try that “fuck off” shit on r/AskHistorians, I dare you… reddit isn’t one forum with an overarching set of rules like the Dope. Plenty of subreddits are heavily moderated, even more so than here, and several that are about academic topics do, in fact, expect citation. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/89 "2025-10-03T09:23:45Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > This is why we need cites: > > [https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/) > > Opinions change, then change back, and change again. Well knock me down with a feather! I am absolutely flabbergasted. Genuinely, I had no idea. I guess I’ve learned a valuable lesson about making assumptions. Consider my previous argument fully retracted. > [@DMC](#): > > I’ve always considered him more of a bigoted-sealioning trock, but you’re right, engaging any part of that Venn Diagram of Stupidity is probably useless. I must say, stuff like this, however, makes it _super_ hard to concede a point to you. Like, I’ve _really_ had to work to swallow my pride here. Your first post in this thread was a total mischaracterisation of something you dug up from about two years ago, and when I pointed out the mischaracterisation you completely failed to acknowledge it, and yet _I’m_ the one who’s dishonest? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/90 "2025-10-03T10:33:02Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Isn’t Poe’s Law that trolling and honestly held extreme views are indistinguishable? It’s more that someone is likely to accidentally mistake sarcasm and parody toward a topic as an authentic view unless it’s explained. Trolling is purposeful insincerity. But unlike parody, the troll isn’t mocking the topic of discussion, but rather the sincerity of other posters. I guess we could say that trolling _purposely exploits_ Poe’s law, which typically describes accidental misunderstandings. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/91 "2025-10-03T11:54:41Z")
Honestly, that surprised me as well. I, too, considered it “common knowledge” that armed services personnel tended to lean Republican – that this fluctuates, and is never overwhelming, but durable enough that voting preferences would never favor a Democrat for president, say. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/92 "2025-10-03T13:24:00Z")
Even 40 years ago when I was in, it was true that DoD voters leaned R. But it was 60/40, not the 95/5 of popular assumption. The “common knowledge” of the RW propaganda crew is that DoD is substantially 100% RW. Isn’t true and never was. Doesn’t stop them from repeating the lie. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/93 "2025-10-03T15:55:36Z")
[Moderation] I’ve changed the thread title from “Gobb is a troll” to comply with board rules about not insulting users in thread titles. [/Moderation] ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/94 "2025-10-03T16:06:46Z")
Did his “Young Manly MAGA Men” thread get linked to yet? If anyone’s thinking “Oh, Gobb’s just misunderstood”, it’s full of why he’ll never be able to engage in an honest debate. He clearly sees no difference between his opinions and objective truth. Hence, he’ll never be able to back up his claims. If he can’t find or give cites, I’ll neither find or give fücks. > [@Democrats underestimate the crisis they have with young men](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-underestimate-the-crisis-they-have-with-young-men/1023598): > > Most young men I come across: Voted overwhelmingly for Trump Are into Charlie Kirk material Get information about politics from influencers and MAGA athletes Don’t like Republicans like DeSantis and Abbott, but hate Democrats more Want to see more masculinity in society, not “weak men” or “girly men” as Arnold Schwarzenegger said in the early 2000s. Democrats need to adjust how they talk to young men. Gen Z men are probably the most right-leaning men since Gen X men in the Reag… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/95 "2025-10-03T16:14:20Z")
I have an opinion on MAGA cultists, and on Republicans in general. Based upon what I have seen in interviews and debates, it seems to me that MAGA cultists and Republicans are incapable of civil discourse. They ignore facts, and talk/shout over the other person. They’re like chimpanzees asserting dominance. Their only goal is to win. Solutions to problems are not on their agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/96 "2025-10-03T16:17:59Z")
> [@digs](#): > > If he can’t find or give cites I’ve noticed him moving the goalpost (I know, shocking). He moved very quickly from the army should kill everything to the army should win the war. As everyone but he realizes, those are not always the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/97 "2025-10-03T16:22:56Z")
I think that’s an American thing, not just MAGA. Watch the House hearings with Mark Zuckerberg and AOC would talk over him when trying to answer … and not calling her out specifically because a lot of them do that. I know that with many people having debate there is a lot of not listening to the other person but rather thinking of your next point. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/98 "2025-10-03T16:24:28Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I know that with many people having debate there is a lot of not listening to the other person but rather thinking of your next point. Most debates I ‘watch’ are here. It’s different here, and people generally seem to abide by the rules of debating as were. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/99 "2025-10-06T00:21:39Z")
Split this topic on October 6, 2025, 12:21am UTC 14 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Gobb’s Posts](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobbs-posts/1023706/22) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/100 "2025-10-03T16:57:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I think that’s an American thing, not just MAGA. Watch the House hearings with Mark Zuckerberg and AOC would talk over him when trying to answer … and not calling her out specifically because a lot of them do that. Talking over him when he tried to answer, or interrupting him when he would do anything except actually answer the questions asked? Far too many officials called before Congress will not answer questions and instead repeat, over and over again, prepared speeches and phrases. If you ask me if a certain event happened and I respond with “As I have said many times, my cats are wet!”, have I answered the question? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=6)