# Gobb is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604 "2025-10-02T16:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/101 "2025-10-03T17:06:03Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/22): > > LISTEN and quiet down for a bit, and listen to what other people are saying. Most of us have heard most of **[what they’re saying](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5llMaZ80ErY)**. Having two political parties isn’t inherently, or doesn’t automatically have to be, the problem (though I would prefer more viable parties). Everything really did get dramatically worse when Newt Gingrich brazenly announced that the other side wasn’t a group of colleagues to be negotiated with and have dinner and drinks with; they were enemies to be treated as enemies, stopped at every opportunity, and crushed whenever possible. They were to be painted as evil and an existential threat to all that we hold sacred and the lives of ourselves and our children. They do that through horrid straw man arguments, outright lies, and dramatic, hyperbolic exaggerations of the other side’s positions. Because their audience lives in a nearly perfect information silo, they are vulnerable to this kind of misinformation and demagoguery. They literally don’t know any better. They take fearful people, make them ever more afraid, and then give them a laundry list of Bad Things That Democrats Do, and make them thoroughly terrified. And they’re totally made up. Then, they send their candidate out to say, “I, alone, can fix it.” It was a very long run of political Mutually Assured Destruction before that, but Newt … went nuclear when nobody else really had. He’s still doing it today, and his followers have taken pages straight out of his playbook. I’ve been a registered Independent for decades, but today’s Republican party is simply disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/102 "2025-10-03T17:09:31Z")
I am not convinced that answer is to be more like them, which to me means to be a lesser version of them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/104 "2025-10-03T17:26:46Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/23): > > You don’t have to be like them, you just have to listen to what they say, oppose and have a dialogue. They don’t want to have an actual dialogue, and it is much easier to start nasty rumors and lies than it is to spend time and effort trying to dispute them. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/105 "2025-10-03T17:44:01Z")
“I’m not actually like the things I say, I’m a moderate” That’s just about as clichéd as “I’m not bigoted, some of my best friends are \” ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/106 "2025-10-03T17:45:36Z")
And, “I’m a moderate, but if you aren’t nicer to bigots and MAGA, I’ll be forced to vote for Trump for a fourth time.” ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/107 "2025-10-03T17:46:42Z")
“Some of my best friends are libtards!” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/109 "2025-10-03T17:52:38Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/24): > > You cannot alienate 50% of the country. you don’t think Trump has alientated 50% of the country? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/110 "2025-10-03T17:56:56Z")
So, how many times did you vote for the insane bigot in chief? And, if you say anything less than 3, I’ll know you’re lying. What was your handle when you were posting here before? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/111 "2025-10-03T17:57:20Z")
Can you tell us how we are supposed to have a “dialogue” when an honest “dialogue” is something they wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/114 "2025-10-03T18:21:49Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/25): > > Charlie Kirk was a moron, but he LISTENED and debated with the other side. Absolute _bullshit_, but thank you for letting us know how “moderate” you really are, lying asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/115 "2025-10-03T18:45:17Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/25): > > We need to LISTEN to each other. And then what? We LISTEN to the right say they want to deny people who aren’t white cis Christian males civil rights, then what? Give in to them? LISTENING to people express views that you are fundamentally opposed to doesn’t somehow resolve the fundamental opposition between the two sides. What if you LISTEN to someone and are repulsed by what you hear? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/116 "2025-10-03T18:49:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > What if you LISTEN to someone and are repulsed by what you hear? Exactly. And they’re so angry (about things that are not even happening). I listened to Hannity and Mark Levin for a couple of years. I’m sure if I tuned in now, I’d hear a lot about how the Democrat Party [sic] has shut down the government because they are insisting on taxpayer health care to illegal immigrants and terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/118 "2025-10-03T18:57:42Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/27): > > You listen to what they say and you counteract with a rebuttal. Not shutting down debate. Gee, another sealion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/119 "2025-10-03T19:00:30Z")
When only one side gets to use Mr. Microphone on a regular basis, the “debate” is already lost. Who will be broadcasting this rebuttal, and what is stopping the right from spewing even more bullshit while the rebuttal is being attempted? Fires are being started all over the damn place, on purpose, and your “solution” is to try to put them out _after_ the assholes have fanned the flames. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/121 "2025-10-03T19:03:55Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/28): > > Counteract. Shut them down with debate. Spread your shit elsewhere-_They will not debate!_ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/122 "2025-10-03T19:06:15Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/28): > > Counteract. Shut them down with debate. Debates aren’t a way of determining which policies are correct, debates are a sideshow won by the person best at playing word games. They are loved by Young Earth Greationists, for example. Duane Gish was great at winning debates against more intelligent, better educated people with the facts on their side because he was a good sideshow barker. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/123 "2025-10-03T19:10:18Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/28): > > Use their statements and spread the word to apolitical and unaffiliated voters that this is what the other side thinks. Since when are either side shy about saying what they think? I know what the right wing thinks, and I think that what they think makes them bad people. There are not “good people on both sides” today, any more than there were “good people on both sides” of desegregation in the 1960s. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/124 "2025-10-03T19:15:23Z")
I like the strategy, engage and keep this idiot confined to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/127 "2025-10-03T19:21:18Z")
Democrats didn’t say Krik deserved to be killed or attacked for his views. That’s insane. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/128 "2025-10-03T19:21:44Z")
Using what? _Mental telepathy??_ Either you are stupid enough to fall for this bullshit, or you think _we_ are. Which is it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=7)