# Gobb is Pitted **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604 "2025-10-02T16:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/174 "2025-10-03T23:07:45Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > It might also be worth pointing out that comedians are the worst possible source of news. Sub-headline from that PDF I provided: > People learn most from NPR, Sunday Morning Shows, ‘The Daily Show’ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/175 "2025-10-03T23:12:28Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > more than implied that all video news was party propaganda. > I endorse my objection. On the side of Fox, clearly it’s true. They don’t make no bones about it. But you can be propagandic without the intention to be so. If you come from the city, were raised to think that food comes from the supermarket, have never gotten outside of that world, didn’t read a lot of history, and never had any deep and open discussions with others of wildly different ideology, you’re simply not outfitted to present a particularly good set of news. Heck, just not being a skeptic already damns you. The number of people who could be a good journalist is vanishingly small, because you’ve got to be deeply knowledgeable, skeptical, and yourself very sane and middle-of-the-roadish. The average journalist is someone who wants to write stories about cures for cancer, alien attacks, and deep investigations into conspiracy theories, not thumb through financial documents and add up numbers to look for fraud or business prospects. Very few viewers are, likewise, interested in that sort of reporting. They want to know about the missing blond girl and the scary black guy that was chasing her. As such, the market forces would say that the only news with smart and knowledgeable people is news that you pay for, that is long-form with careful notes on sourcing and evidence, and the target audience is people who are interested in boring and practical knowledge. Everyone else gets free news, where the product that’s being paid for is **you**. Outside of that, and you just don’t have the talent pool. You’ve just got credulous people that look good, doing their best to act like a serious person. Intentionally or not, they’re just creating a small and very confined world view because that’s the limit of their own abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/176 "2025-10-03T23:25:34Z")
And mind, I am aware that both of my previous posts are painting with wide brushes. Obviously, the reality will vary. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/177 "2025-10-03T23:26:05Z")
I really have strong doubts that professional comedians have dark horrible thoughts almost all of the time. Jimmy Kimmel and Jon Stewart and Seth Myers give me all the news I can handle because they add some humor to it. I can’t take it in otherwise. There’s too much bad going on. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2025, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/178 "2025-10-03T23:51:53Z")
If my statement is correct, then the sense that there’s “too much bad going on” would be an expected outcome. You’d be creating a vicious cycle. Per John Cleese: “Let me tell you a story that amuses me about professional comedians. W.C. Fields is one of the greatest comedians ever, and I don’t think young people know him as well as they should. He was absolutely wonderful. Somebody asked him about a professional comedian’s sense of humor. And W.C. Fields said, Well, for most people, if an actor dresses up as a very, very, very old woman and walks along the street like this and falls down a manhole, they’ll laugh. But to make a professional comedian laugh, it has to really be an old woman.” > **[What's the Deal With Comedians and Depression?](https://abcnews.go.com/Health/deal-comedians-depression/story?id=24945911)** > > Robin Williams' apparent suicide has put a spotlight on the dark side of comedy. Williams, like many comedians, lived with long-term depression and addiction. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/179 "2025-10-04T01:43:00Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But you can be propagandic without the intention to be so. If you come from the city, were raised to think that food comes from the supermarket, have never gotten outside of that world, didn’t read a lot of history, and never had any deep and open discussions with others of wildly different ideology, you’re simply not outfitted to present a particularly good set of news. That sounds like you’re conflating inherent bias with propaganda. They’re not quite the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/180 "2025-10-04T01:51:35Z")
I mean, your average proselytizing fundie just thinks that he’s being helpful and a positive force in the world. But the stuff that he’s sharing and spouting was curated and refined by lots of other people over the course of centuries. His intent be as it may, there’s still the practical effect of the matter. The lifestyle and culture of city folk, over decades and centuries, has produced a certain cohesive and interconnected whole that makes it a complete belief system. And with our modern ability to monetize clicks and views, and tabulate every little thing, any American company that’s got a sales crew working with advertisers is going to be working to correlate the content with the budget, and running that up the ladder. I’m less concerned about that with foreign news but, in the US, profit motives do have their impact and I expect myself to stay vigilant on watching for other countries to head down that path and constantly doubt my information sources. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/181 "2025-10-04T02:11:59Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If my statement is correct, then the sense that there’s “too much bad going on” would be an expected outcome. You’d be creating a vicious cycle. Again, the current context is about the king trying to shoot the jesters, because the jesters are speaking truth to power. Even in old times, silencing them was not the usual thing to do. > **["Parrhesia": The importance of speaking truth to power and how to do it well](https://bigthink.com/business/parrhesia-the-importance-of-speaking-truth-to-power-and-how-to-do-it-well/)** > > Court jesters would often speak truth to tyrants, and were valued for their role. Every leader and every business needs honesty. > Everyday _parrhesia_ > > Away from the lascivious lives of English monarchs and the intellectual labyrinths of French postmodernism, how can we all hope to apply _parrhesia_ in our own lives? Here are three takeaways. > > **Foster openness.** The reason Machiavelli believed a leader was “overthrown by flatterers” was that they would never know how things actually were. The world will burn as you dance in your imagined pleasure garden, and no one will buy your product if you don’t listen to bad reviews. In the workplace, companies need to encourage employees at all levels to speak openly about their concerns, ideas, and feedback without fear of retaliation. For example, you could introduce anonymous feedback forms or have an HR representative mediate any concerns. What can a leader do? Over on [Big Think+,](https://plus.bigthink.com/lessons/489-make-culture-contagious-lead-an-open-participatory-organization) Jim Whitehurst, interim CEO and President of Unity, and former President of IBM, has some advice. > > **Embrace accountability**. For Foucault, one of the more underappreciated aspects of _parrhesia_ is not only speaking truth to power but also speaking truth to yourself./ ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/182 "2025-10-04T02:21:07Z")
180, now 181 posts, for an unoriginal, uninteresting troll. SOP for SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/183 "2025-10-04T02:22:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > [@Dissonance](#): > > > > Find me **one** cite that the Nazis were sorting out “blond haired blue eyes Slavs” from “tan and slanty-eyed communists” in the Soviet POW camps. I dare you. Because they absolutely weren’t. > > As I recall, this was mentioned in a website that **you** posted two years ago: > > > [@](#): > > > > These statements aren’t in conflict. Here is, also, a statement from the Holocaust Museum: (Bolding added) [Holocaust Museum](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/mosaic-of-victims-in-depth) The Soviet Union was about 50% Caucasian and 50% Jewish or Asiatic. Of about 6m Soviet POWs captured by the Germans, about 3m were killed. > > The Holocaust Museum itself appears to have edited the page and removed the text since then, but it was a valid quote at the time. So, in other words, you are recalling something that wasn’t ever actually there. And more importantly, if it had existed, **doesn’t even say what you think it says.** It refers to prisoners selected to be immediately shot on the spot for being Jewish or political officers, which yes was German policy. **The rest of them were to be deliberately starved to death,** not sorted out into blonde hair and blue eyes and everyone else with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed ones allowed to live and the others to die. They were all Slavs to the Nazis and were all to be left to die. For the record, I don’t think you’re actually a Nazi. You are just incredibly ignorant and immensely stupid. For anyone interested in the depths of your ignorance, stupidity and how it led you to Holocaust Denial without even realizing it, start here on that thread. > [@Wagner group: what does the name refer to?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wagner-group-what-does-the-name-refer-to/986098/24): > > The killing of Russians - or more specifically Slavs, which includes a lot more than just Russians - is 100% true, your understanding is seriously mistaken. Slavs were considered Untermensch in Nazi ideology and were the second largest group of victims of the holocaust just after the Jews. The Nazi plan, which thankfully ‘only’ reached their initial stage of being carried out (murdering ~9 million people) was to exterminate most Slavic people, with the remainder to be reduced to illiterate ch… ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/184 "2025-10-04T05:20:44Z")
The ~~fun~~ trolling never stops! > [@Republicans/Libertarians should not receive government healthcare](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-libertarians-should-not-receive-government-healthcare/1023665): > > Republicans and Libertarians should not receive government healthcare since they oppose government involvement in healthcare. From the opposition of Medicare, Medicaid, to rich Republican health care CEOs like Rick Scott, the Frist family, etc. The next time a Democratic trifecta is in control, they should put an amendment saying that Republicans be banned from getting government healthcare. If Trump’s DOJ can get access to voter records, it should be done for all active Republican voters. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/185 "2025-10-04T08:41:48Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Well knock me down with a feather! I am absolutely flabbergasted. Genuinely, I had no idea. I guess I’ve learned a valuable lesson about making assumptions. Consider my previous argument fully retracted. Again, this is why we request cites. > [@WalterBishop](#): > > I must say, stuff like this, however, makes it _super_ hard to concede a point to you. Like, I’ve _really_ had to work to swallow my pride here. I don’t really give a fuck if you want to concede a point. You were wrong whether you concede or not and I backed it up with a cite. > [@](#): > > Your first post in this thread was a total mischaracterisation of something you dug up from about two years ago, and when I pointed out the mischaracterisation you completely failed to acknowledge it, and yet _I’m_ the one who’s dishonest? I’ve personally seen you repeatedly defend bigoted shitstains like magellan01, DemonTree and others with your best sea lion impression, so I’ll probably sleep fine tonight. I’m not sure that there are a thousand posters worse than magellan01 on St\*rmFr\*nt (not even sure if that cesspool still exists), so I don’t really give any validity to your statement that this board has worse. I mean the fucker used to use [VDARE](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDARE) as a cite. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/186 "2025-10-04T08:44:23Z")
nevermind ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/187 "2025-10-04T08:54:08Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I’ve personally seen you repeatedly defend bigoted shitstains like magellan01, DemonTree and others with your best sea lion impression, so I’ll probably sleep fine tonight. And I’ll continue to defend them whenever I think they’re right, and whenever I think they’re being dogpiled by lying scumbags like you. If you don’t like that, maybe a discussion forum that invites dialogue between people of opposing views isn’t the best place for you? Maybe you’d be happier jacking it in front of a mirror in a soundproof room? And your artless attempt to move the goalpost won’t do wonders for your pretensions to intellectual honesty. You lied about one of my posts and then didn’t acknowledge it when I corrected you. No subsequent amount of dissembling and hand waving will change that. You had an opportunity to do the decent thing and you pissed it away. Going forward, I’m more than happy to put you in the same basket as **Chingon** - the one for maladjusted wastes of space with no integrity and no desire for any. Have a block, you lying scumbag. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/188 "2025-10-04T08:59:12Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > You lied about one of my posts and then didn’t acknowledge it when I corrected you. Really, can you provide a cite, perhaps? Or is this one of those “self-evident” things where no cite is needed? And to get back on track, Gobb is a [goat-felching troll](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republicans-libertarians-should-not-receive-government-healthcare/1023665) no matter what the sea lion might have to say about it. ---
**Author:** ![WalterBishop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/aeb1de/32.png) [@WalterBishop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WalterBishop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/189 "2025-10-04T09:05:44Z")
Post 61. You said that I thought **magellan01** was worth “thousands of the rest of us” when, in fact, the post you were referencing made it explicitly clear that I thought **magellan01** was “worth a thousand” of _a couple of specific posters,_ not the rest of the fucking board. Either you lied about my post, or you were too stupid and lazy to go back and check what it actually said. Since you’re a proud asshole and don’t deserve charity, I’m gonna go with liar. Right. _Now_ you’re on block. Don’t expect further interaction. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/190 "2025-10-04T09:08:54Z")
‘White knighting’ for a bigot is an interesting take. In other news, I think Gobb is Gonn. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/191 "2025-10-04T11:09:33Z")
> [@WalterBishop](#): > > Don’t expect further interaction. \< takes notes on how to get this to happen \> ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/192 "2025-10-04T15:11:49Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1023706/28): > > Counteract. Shut them down with debate. > > Use their statements and spread the word to apolitical and unaffiliated voters that this is what the other side thinks. You’re missing the point here. You keep claiming that we’re “not listening to people”. But we did listen and simply found their values and ideas sorely lacking. What you’re suggesting is that even if someone fails to persuade me in debate, I have to keep listening eternally to something I’ve already heard and judged to be horseshit. I don’t have to give a hearing to horseshit just because it’s coming from a new person! Horseshit is horseshit! What you’re really complaining about here is the fact that we’re not giving endless debate do-overs to horseshit ideas from horseshit influencers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2025, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604/193 "2025-10-04T15:13:42Z")
That, and the fact that only one side is being asked to be “fair”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobb-is-pitted/1023604.md?page=10)