# Gobear, what is up? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2002, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593 "2002-06-12T04:43:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/101 "2002-06-13T13:58:04Z")
I’m so glad gay people live in another world, where casual sex can never be risky – the only risk is that well-meaning straights might annoy you in the morning when you whine about it. Because we all know gays are always smart and always wear condoms and would never have a moment of stupidity and catch AIDS. Anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/102 "2002-06-13T14:22:11Z")
:rolleyes: Oh, wait. You’re trying to be serious, aren’t you, Ace0Spades? Go away. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/103 "2002-06-13T15:53:42Z")
FWIW… It is **not improper** to alert someone who has mentioned having casual, promiscuous, or whatever sex to the dangers he or she might encounter, and to encourage safe sex. **Esprix** himself has posted links on the subject in the past. It is a bit presumptuous to _assume_ that a given poster is ignorant of safe sex practides. It is offensive to hijack a thread to argue sexual practices and dangers. It is downright absurd to have **four threads and counting** hijacked for that purpose within six weeks, simply because a gay person happened to mention he was having sex with someone he had met. I’m not totally sure that every gay person who reads these boards is 100% acquainted with all there is to know about STDs, and it might not be inappropriate, in a thread in which someone is speaking about coming out, to link him or her to a safe sex site that would discuss the dangers inherent in various diseases and his/her options for practicing safe sex. The point to the hostility on all these threads has been that someone, whether out of bigotry, ignorance, or personal compassion, has found it necessary to preach at the gay men here on a subject that they are quite likely (being members of a subculture at extreme risk) to have educated themselves extensively about. That is what caused the first rant, the second rant, the third rant… Does **that** make the situation any clearer to everybody? ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/104 "2002-06-13T16:04:07Z")
No, no, no! If a person feels passionately about something, under no circumstances should they read closely what others say; they should just sort of skim, and fill in the blanks without clarifying first, preferably in a manner that justifies being angry. If they don’t do that, the Pit stops working, and even more importantly it’ll probably cause all sorts of problems in the real world, like people not being quite so much at each others’ throats all the time. Buncha damn revolutionaries, trying to tear down the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/105 "2002-06-13T16:09:21Z")
**sirjamesp** , did you read the rest of this goddamned thread, or are you just exactly the moronic pea-brain I expect you are? Fuck off. Royally, at that. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/106 "2002-06-13T16:10:28Z")
Ditto for you, **Ace** , only perhaps not quite so royally. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Wrong_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/107 "2002-06-13T16:37:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sirjamesp \* > \*\*Yeah, **Wabbit** - heterosexuals aren’t allowed to post safe-sex warnings in gay threads, no matter how strongly they feel. Didn’t you know that? > > \*\* Still pissed about this, huh? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=115674&perpage=50&pagenumber=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=115674&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) I understand. You **did** make yourself look like a complete idiot. ---
**Author:** ![sirjamesp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@sirjamesp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirjamesp)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/108 "2002-06-14T07:03:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > **sirjamesp** , did you read the rest of this goddamned thread, or are you just exactly the moronic pea-brain I expect you are? Erm, I think you’re a little confused. Are you sure you know what this thread is about? Just to remind you, the thread that spawned this one veered off course 'cos of a safe sex warning. _This_ thread, in case you got all flustered, was about **gobear** ’s harsh words to **musicguy** (all sorted out now, of course). The thread swerved over to sex again, and thus the traditional safe-sex warning popped up. We can assume one of two things here: either **Wabbit** read the other thread, and decided to kick up a shit-storm here; or he _hadn’t_ read the other thread (shock!), came in here, saw talk of casual sex, and decided to mention something he feels strongly about. Hmmm, which could it be? For advice, let’s look to the words of someone who actually comes out with some sensible stuff when he deigns to climb down off his high horse: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Esprix_ > How about giving us the benefit of the doubt, here? Wise words indeed. How about offering some of this benefit of the doubt to **Wabbit** , instead of jumping on him in the same way that **PunditLisa** was in a _completely different thread_? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Esprix_ > Fuck off. Royally, at that. > > Esprix Let me know when I should worry about what you think. ---
**Author:** ![sirjamesp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@sirjamesp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirjamesp)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/109 "2002-06-14T07:07:21Z")
**The Wrong Girl** : Just a couple of points, if I may. 1. Would you mind awfully if I asked you to point out just where I looked like an idiot in that thread? Don’t forget to read the whole thing! There’s a good girl. 2. As some wider clarification - would the linked thread be a safe-sex warning aimed at _straight_ guys by any chance? My word! To think such things exist! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@The\_Wrong\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Wrong_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/110 "2002-06-14T14:27:14Z")
With pleasure. You looked like an idiot (and also a jerk) when you stated that you refused to wear a condom with your girlfriend. When people responded by asking you why not, you asserted that you used some form of birth control. So, if you _were_ using birth control, why the hell did you feel the need to come in and get people all worked up about you claiming never to wear a condom (“Which, hell, is true after all,” I could see you snarkily saying behind your computer)? The OP was clearly about the dangers that came with not using a condom (or any form of birth control), and it looked pretty damn pointless to me for you to come in smugly saying you didn’t use one, and then, when people started to jump on you, back off and squeak “But we do use birth control!” It looked like a blatant troll to me, like the guy coming into the gynecology thread and stating that he’s never going to need to go see a gynecologist. As to number 2, sure it is. I never said they don’t exist (and to my knowledge, no one else in this thread did either.) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/111 "2002-06-14T17:06:01Z")
Either way, **james** , **Wabbit** ’s post was unwarranted and jerkish - much like you. And, although I’m _sure_ you don’t care ( :rolleyes: ) I will ask you, again, to fuck off. Thanks ever so. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/112 "2002-06-14T17:58:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Let me know when I should worry about what you think. No offense, **sirjames** , but it’s pretty obvious you _do_ care what he thinks, else you wouldn’t have justified yourself to him. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/113 "2002-06-14T18:22:24Z")
I want to insert a word of caution here. Many dopers have expressed a desire for others to practice proper safety. I agree, and I believe that we should **all** endeavor to be as safe as possible. Therefore, next time, please go through the following checklist: Cams? check. Curve hexes and curve nuts? check. Carabiners? check. Pistons? check. Bolt hangers? check. Harness? check. Ropes? check and check. Allright. _Now_ we’re ready to climb that mole hill. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2002, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/114 "2002-06-14T18:28:29Z")
Ooo. Kinky. 😉 Esprix ---
**Author:** ![sirjamesp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@sirjamesp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirjamesp)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/115 "2002-06-17T07:05:53Z")
**Esprix** , buddy, just click on [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1076761#post1076761) link, or [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2112892#2112892) one, then decide whether it is fair to batter **Wabbit** for offering unwarranted/unsolicited safe-sex advice in a sex thread. Black pots who live in glass houses make good sauce for the gander. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/116 "2002-06-17T07:43:31Z")
**james** , I’m thinking you didn’t get a single word of this thread. Mayhap you ought to retry that remedial English course… again? It’s not that safe sex advice is bad - it’s that when you have a thread that is complaining about the fact that _it’s all one ever hears_, coming into that very same thread and _giving the same advice that everyone is taking a moment to bitch about_ is asinine. Does that help, puddin’? Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/117 "2002-06-17T07:53:51Z")
Oh, and by the way, posting my own safe sex advice in a thread about someone who has never had sex before, and then in one that _specifically is talking about_ safe sex hardly states your case - unless you’re trying to state mine for me, for which I thank you, you ignorant dickhead. Thanks so much! Big kisses! Mwah! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![sirjamesp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@sirjamesp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirjamesp)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/118 "2002-06-17T09:45:42Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Esprix_ > It’s not that safe sex advice is bad - it’s that when you have a thread that is complaining about the fact that it’s all one ever hears, coming into that very same thread and giving the same advice that everyone is taking a moment to bitch about is asinine. Erm, no, mate - this thread was not about what you seem to think. **Wabbit** ’s input was the first mention of safe-sex here. You seem to have some difficulty differentiating between this thread and a _completely different one_, you twerp. As for your defence of your own safe-sex advice - well, how much clearer does it have to be? In the first example, you posted a well-meaning but unsolicited warning - _just as **Wabbit** did in this thread_. In the second, you placed more words of wisdom well into a sex thread - funnily enough, this was put in well after the disease side of things had been done to death. So - we have one unsolicted interjection, and one unnecessary one. And yet no-one tore you to shreds, since it was obvious that you were being helpful. Apparantly, though, you do not seem to wish to extend the common courtesy to **Wabbit** that others have afforded you. Re-read this thread. Then point out where **Wabbit** should have been warned not to be helpful. If you find such a thing, then yes, it appears that I am a fucknugget. When you do not, then I think you need to admit that you were too harsh on **Wabbit**. Then we can all do a happy dance. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/119 "2002-06-17T16:27:04Z")
Perhaps you need to take up your control issues with a therapist, rather than inflicting them on the board, SirP. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593/120 "2002-06-17T17:37:58Z")
Good lord, you are a choad, aren’t you? Try reading the thread I linked to in the first reply to the OP. Then try reading the rest of the thread when we talk about _both_ **gobear** ’s comments and - more importantly - why he made them. It’s called a hijack, you pedantic moron - by your logic, this thread should have ended back when **go** and **musicguy** accept each other’s apologies. So why are you still posting here? :rolleyes: Esprix [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gobear-what-is-up/113593.md?page=7)