# Goblins webcomic discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075 "2010-03-03T02:04:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/41 "2010-04-01T04:02:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Next panel: KATHUNK. > > Real lovable. I love Kore in the same way as I love Dellyn. Not because s/he’s a lovable PERSON, but because s/he’s a great character in the story. THunt is not afraid to have nasty characters and nasty situations. He’s not afraid to kill off sympathetic characters. I still think that the death of Taps was extremely well-done. I think that Kore is another way that THunt is showing that alignment doesn’t define a person, and that we should rethink the idea that all goblins are evil, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![GreedySmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a698b9/32.png) [@GreedySmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreedySmurf)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/42 "2010-04-01T04:58:39Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I wonder just how many hit points MinMax has. He was hit by Delyn at least 3 times - unless Delyn is rolling ones, he should be dead. Even with ones, the sword and strength bonuses would likely be considerable. Only good thing for MinMax is that whether you are at full HP or at 1 HP, you fight the same. He is minMax after all. I recall (I think) a mention somewhere about a Barbarian level for him. So his HP’s could be ~30 odd. Say 12 - 1st Level Barbarian. 10 - 2nd level Fighter. 8 - two levels of Con bonus (18 Con) 3 - as written Toughness feat 2 - as written Improved Toughness feat (2nd level) **35 Hit Points** That’s without trying to hard to find weird stuff for HP bonuses, and presuming human starting max Constitution of 18. Let’s assume Dellyn’s sword is effectively +2, maybe he’s got a +2 Strength bonus, with three hits that’s 3d8 +12 damage. So on average that’s 24 hit points damage. Minmax is still in the fight for another hit or two easily. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/43 "2010-04-01T06:41:51Z")
Dellyn is right handed, or at least fights right handed. Since his right hand, arm, and shoulder are now mostly charcoal, I doubt that he could even hold a regular weapon, and he doesn’t seem to even carry regular weapons. I also doubt that he can form weapons from his wooden bits now that they’re charcoal. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/44 "2010-04-01T20:08:42Z")
You could also effectively give Minmax more HP by giving him the Die-Hard feat, which lets you keep fighting without penalty when you’re in the negatives (but you still die when you hit -10). I’m not sure, in this universe, whether he’d have a bloody -7 or whatever over his head in that circumstance. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/45 "2010-04-01T20:34:58Z")
The following link is a spoiler, so don’t hover over it or click it if you want a surprise. Someone is [returning](http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Thumbtack_TheDM/sp_saralsreturn.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/46 "2010-04-01T23:10:26Z")
What’s the provenance of that image? Is it definitely from thunt, is it definitely canonical, and is it definitely not an April Fool’s prank? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/47 "2010-04-01T23:45:24Z")
Trust nothing online until April 2. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/48 "2010-04-02T00:10:27Z")
Word. I’m gonna be _so_ pissed if that’s a recoverable injury. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/49 "2010-04-02T01:40:56Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What’s the provenance of that image? Is it definitely from thunt, is it definitely canonical, and is it definitely not an April Fool’s prank? Thunt tweeted the link, calling it a “Shocking sneak peek of the next update!” It could possibly be a prank, given the date. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/50 "2010-04-02T09:28:18Z")
It’s just the Head of Vecna. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/51 "2010-04-02T11:28:03Z")
> [@GreedySmurf](#): > > He is minMax after all. I recall (I think) a mention somewhere about a Barbarian level for him. So his HP’s could be ~30 odd. Don’t forget Barbarian Rage for +4 HP. And is he really still only 2nd level? I actually count 4 or 5 hits 3 sword wounds and 1 or 2 unarmed attacks. You could argue that the fourth ‘hit’ - the elbow to the head - was SFX of Delyn freeing himself from Minmax’s grapple. Even if it were a true hit, unless Delyn has levels in Monk, it would have been only 1-3 + 2 for Str (4 HP average). No weapon damage. The fifth hit, Delyn face-planting Minmax before a coup-de-grace ,was again unarmed. So damage is more likely (3d8 + 12 + 1d3 + 2) or (3d8 +12 + 2d3 + 4). Either 29 or 33 HP. Less if Delyn’s Str isn’t so hot. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/52 "2010-04-02T11:47:17Z")
Hmm… just done a bit of re-reading. Minmax claims he’s a L2 fighter. So he’s likely got 28 Base HP, plus four feats from class levels. 4x Toughness would give him 40 HP. And he’s got a disadvantage, from which he’s got Improved Unarmed Strike. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/53 "2010-04-02T15:31:10Z")
As long as we’re getting into D&D esoterica, let me ask about something that’s been confusing me ever since the goblins first declared themselves adventurers. I played for a short period during 1981, and the DM told me I couldn’t roll my character as a paladin, because paladin, like bard, is a class that you have to earn your way into, through the achievement of higher levels and the acquisition of XP. So how is it that Ears was able to be a First Level Paladin? How is it possible for such a thing to exist? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/54 "2010-04-02T15:39:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > As long as we’re getting into D&D esoterica, let me ask about something that’s been confusing me ever since the goblins first declared themselves adventurers. > > I played for a short period during 1981, and the DM told me I couldn’t roll my character as a paladin, because paladin, like bard, is a class that you have to earn your way into, through the achievement of higher levels and the acquisition of XP. So how is it that Ears was able to be a First Level Paladin? How is it possible for such a thing to exist? Well, first, 1981 is ancient history in D&D. There have been at least 4 editions since then, and even in 1987, when _Unearthed Arcana_ came out, paladin was its own class. I think at the time you’re talking about, paladins had to attain 0th-level levels like squire etc, which later were incorporated into cavaliers, but then dropped altogether. For as long as I’ve been playing **A** D&D, paladins have been straightforward classes that begin at level 1 just like the vast majority of classes. I can’t speak to 3.5ed or 4th ed, but 1st (from at least 1984) and 2nd eds the paladin was like that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/55 "2010-04-02T15:53:07Z")
Bards, incidentally, have similarly changed: bard is a basic class now, with no other class requirements necessary. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/56 "2010-04-02T15:54:26Z")
Oh. Okay, thanks to both of you. I guess that explains Elan in _Order of the Stick_, too. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/57 "2010-04-02T19:33:46Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh. Okay, thanks to both of you. > > I guess that explains Elan in Order of the Stick, too. Nale, meanwhile, is doing the rough equivalent of what you needed to do to become an old-school bard, by multiclassing fighter, rogue, and sorcerer (necessary, in his case, since true bards aren’t allowed to be lawful, and he’s Lawful Evil). Except, of course, that’s far inferior in every respect to a true bard. There are rules in one of the 3rd edition books for turning bard, paladin, and ranger into what’s called prestige classes, which means you can’t start that class until you meet some list of requirements. I don’t think it works too well for paladin, though, since you basically have to start as a cleric instead of as a fighter. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/58 "2010-04-06T19:39:13Z")
New one is up, with a promise of a continuation this afternoon! [Goblins -](http://goblins.keenspot.com/d/20100404.html) **Chronos** , I may have missed the point you were making, what with being hopped up on the Easter chocolate and all, but Nale is not a bard. If your point was just that he, while not in fact being a bard, was taking what was the classic path to becoming a bard, then, um, never mind. Back to _Goblins_ – this may be the most gruesome, grisly imagery I’ve ever seen. Good damn thing it’s in a good cause! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/59 "2010-04-06T20:07:05Z")
His ability to wink? Gotta love Minmax! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075/60 "2010-04-06T20:08:30Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > His ability to wink? Gotta love Minmax! Like I said before, he definitely lives up to his name. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goblins-webcomic-discussion/531075.md?page=4)