# God and judgment **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 9, 2012, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703 "2012-12-09T03:57:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/41 "2012-12-11T15:54:25Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > “Drink more Ovaltine”. Ovaltine? A crummy commercial? ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheField](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@LilyoftheField](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheField)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/42 "2012-12-11T20:45:25Z")
> [@missyzilly](#): > > Okay this is what he said to me about you. You are the only one that he is after on this forum . He sent me after you. [Http://youtu.be/ggGwDryrc2k](Http://youtu.be/ggGwDryrc2k) Czarcasm - seriously, you are super special! God is trying to win you over to the side of truth and righteousness! Missyzilly is like your lightning bolt out of the sky, knocking you off your high horse and converting you to…well, something… He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the rest of us! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/43 "2012-12-11T21:54:29Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > . . . I have read _about_ the bible. > Which is far, far more enlightning than reading that bundling of scriblings itself. Well, yes and no. Certainly, reading good Biblical scholarship is enlightening – although, of course, it’s all over the place, from literalists to several varieties of revisionists. Still, now and then, it is well to get one’s nose right down into the original text. It really isn’t that awful – parts of it are magnificent. It’s not as bad as the Book of Mormon (if I read “And it came to pass” one more time, I think I’ll scream…) It’d be like reading about Shakespeare, without ever actually reading Shakespeare. You could, indeed, become very well educated and informed…but you’d still be missing something. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/44 "2012-12-12T00:02:34Z")
> [@missyzilly](#): > > Read the bible. Missy, I heard God as well, when I read the bible…overheard him speaking to you…and he said, when Missy is on the rag, Missy must bring 2 turtles or two pigeons to her priest, who will then kill the turtles, and set the pigeons on fire cite: [http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says\_about/menstruation.html](http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/menstruation.html) he also told me, that if I so much as touch the bed you sleep, or even a chair you sat in, while you are on the rag, that I must ASAP wash my body and my clothes. PS before I learned of this, I, emm,…well, I. err…I “earned my red wings” …just curious, should I now arrange to be burnt by my priest? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/45 "2012-12-12T10:30:28Z")
> [@](#): > > **missyzilly** : He made a promise after the flood to never destroy human life again. You are mistaken. The covenant of the rainbow was a promise not to destroy mankind with **flood waters** again: There’s always the possibility of fire, the earth breaking apart, swarms of hornets, whatever. That part of Genesis doesn’t tell us how humankind will die: "Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.” – God the Father I’m not terribly fond of the Old Testament and I believe that a lot of the old stories are legends and parables used to teach some principle or other. But I think the Old Testament focuses on the wrath of God, and not on her or his great love for creation. I think there are some mistakes in the Bible. By the way, how many of each animal did Noah take on the ark? This is just a suggestion, but try reading your posts aloud to yourself before posting. That might make your points clearer to your readers. ---
**Author:** ![furdmort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@furdmort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furdmort)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/46 "2012-12-12T10:59:25Z")
> [@missyzilly](#): > > The blue whale was on the 2nd floor of the ark. As for the fish well I think they stayed in the water outside of the ark . cause they did not like the blue whales…Yep 😕 Salt water fish would die in the fresh water of a world wide flood. To keep the salt water fish alive, you need a tank of saltwater - presumably on board the ark. Of course, a miracle would cover the situation nicely - if only the bible mentioned such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![furdmort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@furdmort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furdmort)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/47 "2012-12-12T11:06:27Z")
> [@missyzilly](#): > > Yes you do have free will so did Adam and Eve. They did get punished but they had freedom of choice . If they did not they would not have choice to eat the fruit. They were told not to eat it and told that the would die. Then they were tempted and they had the free will to eat it . Even with the knowledge of punishment we still have free will. When they ate the fruit did God Kill them no. He asked them who told you that you were naked they said the snake and you no the rest . But what God did next was made them garments to cover them. He still loved them he told them there punishment and they lived happily ever after until they died. The punishment does not take away free will. God set 'em up to fail. What would you think of a parent who left an open bottle poison on the floor and told his two year old child not to drink it? Pretty shitty parent, no? That’s what your god did, and you keep defending him. Which brings up another problem (with all religions.) If god is so great, he needs no defense or assistance from the pissants (preachers, zealous believers, etc.) Yet every believer feels the need to stand up and protect his god from the non-believers. Why? ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/48 "2012-12-12T13:22:05Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > I interpreted that one as that her god had commanded _her_ to read the bible. > You think she was telling _me_ to read the bible? > > If so then your comment indeed applies to me. Furthermore I have read _about_ the bible. > Which is far, far more enlightning than reading that bundling of scriblings itself. I have read the Bible through at least 24 times in my life, and it was as I began to think about what I had read, also the history of the Bible and Ancient History that I saw the contradictions and realized that God would not inspire an untruth, or a fantasy. It showed the fact that God is unknowable and belief is not fact. I am not against belief, but I prefer truth. If something is true then there is proof, belief is not proof, and once if it is proven then it is no longer belief and all can see it. Weither you read the Bible or not is meaningless to me, one can read the Bible and just pick what sounds good to that person, over looking the contradictions, and there is proof that the Bible is the work of humans not God. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/49 "2012-12-12T15:03:27Z")
You keep referring to God as “He”. If God is a “He”, that means he’s male, and therefore He has a penis. So, is God circumcised? And, is His regular state erect or flaccid? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/50 "2012-12-12T15:24:41Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > You keep referring to God as “He”. If God is a “He”, that means he’s male, and therefore He has a penis. Well if you read the Bible it is clear that God is a colossal dick. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/51 "2012-12-12T15:25:47Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > You keep referring to God as “He”. If God is a “He”, that means he’s male, and therefore He has a penis. > > So, is God circumcised? And, is His regular state erect or flaccid? That’s a bit of an unfair question, isn’t it? Do you know the foreskin status of all people you know are male? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/52 "2012-12-12T15:39:00Z")
> [@missyzilly](#): > > Okay this is what he said to me about you. You are the only one that he is after on this forum . He sent me after you. I did not know that untill I tried to cuss you out and God said do not do that. Now listen because im so bored.God wants you to here this . [Http://youtu.be/ggGwDryrc2k](Http://youtu.be/ggGwDryrc2k) 1. The video has been pulled. 2. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that it would be beneficial to you or your god if I believed that he existed. It wouldn’t. Right now I think your are merely misguided when you harass and annoy people out of “love” of a badly written fictional character. If on the other hand you were able to convince me that this genocidal psychopath were real and that you willingly served him, then any and all politeness on my part would cease. I am the rock you _really_ don’t want to flip over, girl. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/53 "2012-12-12T15:43:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What did his voice sound like? Was it loud? Was it deep? Was there an accent? I’m going to laugh when the Atheist excommunicate you for searching for salvation. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/54 "2012-12-12T18:56:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. The video has been pulled. Guess God didn’t want to speak to you after all… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/55 "2012-12-12T19:00:05Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Guess God didn’t want to speak to you after all… I guess as long as _she_ thinks she is watching a video… ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/56 "2012-12-12T19:20:47Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > That’s a bit of an unfair question, isn’t it? Do you know the foreskin status of all people you know are male? For the Jewish ones, I have a pretty good idea. ---
**Author:** ![CoastalMaineiac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@CoastalMaineiac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoastalMaineiac)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/57 "2012-12-12T19:30:01Z")
If God is both a god of love _and_ omnipotent, he should very much be able to put an end to world hunger problems, should he not? If He truly loves everyone, but doesn’t do that, than He isn’t omnipotent. If He has the power, but won’t, then He doesn’t have anything resembling love. I could replace world hunger with any number of things: war, false imprisonment, crime, etc. Having the power to fix these problems and not doing so is not, by any definition of the word, love. The only conclusion that I can reach is that God does not exist in the way I have been taught (and it’s tough overcoming some of those childhood teachings; I was raised not just evangelical, but pentecostal–let me tell you, free spirits and inquisitive minds will find no place there). I still believe that there are spiritual messages to be gleaned from the Bible and other religious texts, but my own searching has only led to one certainty in the matter: I’m certain that I’m not certain about anything anymore. I guess the path to discovering Truth has to begin with unlearning what you already “know” anyway… and joining this site, so I’m on my way.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/58 "2012-12-13T06:47:14Z")
> [@](#): > > **furdmort** : Yet every believer feels the need to stand up and protect his god from the non-believers. Why? False premise. Not every believer feels that need. > [@](#): > > **monavis** : If something is true then there is proof… I think you have that backwards. Even then, keep in mind that scientific **proof** is mathematical. Many things can be true without there even being evidence available. Something can be true for a long time before scientists or others are aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/59 "2012-12-13T13:51:37Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > False premise. Not every believer feels that need. > > I think you have that backwards. Even then, keep in mind that scientific **proof** is mathematical. Many things can be true without there even being evidence available. Something can be true for a long time before scientists or others are aware of it. Indeed, some times it takes centuries to find proof, once proven it is no longer faith, or conjecture, but fact. Fact dispells faith,even theologins say once a person is in Heaven then faith is now fact.only love prevails! Even love that isn’t true isn’t love. Truth is the only thing that needs nothing else. If added to, or subtracted from it is no longer truth. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703/60 "2012-12-13T17:26:11Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > I think you have that backwards. Even then, keep in mind that scientific **proof** is mathematical. Many things can be true without there even being evidence available. Something can be true for a long time before scientists or others are aware of it. There are many true premises that no one has ever expressed. However if you do express a premise, then you should search for evidence to refute it. If you honestly can’t find any (which means you’ve probably found evidence supporting it) then you have something. Religions however either studiously refuse to search for refuting evidence, reject any evidence that comes up out of hand, or, if they are liberal, change the premise to follow the evidence while claiming the premise is immutable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-and-judgment/643703.md?page=4)