# God DAMMIT Bricker, Just for once admit you were WRONG ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2006, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592 "2006-07-22T11:34:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/1 "2006-07-22T11:34:31Z")
Over in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7603511#post7603511), **Bricker** is once again showing his utter incapacity to admit he was in any way mistaken. Bad enough someone can NOT admit they were just plain wrong. Now he’s a member of the SDSAB, and it puts the entire idea of a SDSAB into poor light for a new member to be so goddamned fucking pigheaded. I figured it was time to stop hijacking the OP’s thread ( which is an excellent topic, by the by ) and just Pit the man. **Bricker** , you are no less flawed than anyon else. God freakin’ knows my flaws show here when I get deeply involved in a thread. No arguing that. You’re not some demi-God machine of the Law, ok? You’re a member of the Virginia Bar. It does not give you the right to pass on legal judgements and rulings and statements with absolute authority throughout the United States. When called on your shit, it is usually considered good form to simply say you were wrong and move on. You made an absolute statement, quoted below. You are wholly incapable of just stepping up and fucking admitting that another Doper did a smidgen more research than you decided you wanted to do that day, and found a good cite. ( My cites, meh- one was good- the Texas one- the other was sullied with drug use, and so really was not such a good cite to prove my point). **DMC** found a perfect cite, but you just simply cannot make yourself say the honest and simple thing. Instead you hedge around the truth. > [@Bricker](#): > > I can’t find a single case in the entire country in which cell phone use has been the underlying act supporting manslaughter charges. Even when provided with one, you’re incapable of just admitting without any hedging, hemming, hawing or justifying that you made a mistake in saying what you said. Does it matter in terms of the quote just provided whether or not the charges were deemed not sustainable? It does not. The phrase you used was, " manslaughter charges", not a conviction on manslaughter charges. The two are very different animals, aren’t they? In terms of reading each word in your quote, and responding to it as a complete sentence, you were proven wrong. The disposition of the case latter on in time by a Judge is wholly irrelevant, but you seem incapable of admitting such. One wonders what you would have said if a cite provided gave us a person convicted, with appeal lost, who served a few years for vehicular manslaughter directly due to cellular phone use at time of accident. Nicely done, **Bricker**. 🙂 Lest we forget our place, the Straight Dope is dedicated to fighting ignorance, not puffing up one’s Jurisprudential Egos. The SDSAB is looked to for expertise in a wide variety of areas. Now and then someone there makes a mistake. If you want to help stamp out ignorance, you’ll simply admit you were wrong in your statement. Or, you can hem and haw and issue clarifiers and justifications and rationalizations. It only serves to weaken the SDSAB when a member is publicly incapable of admitting a ( very minor, really ) mistake and just moving on with the overall topic. Nobody doubts that you have a great education when it comes to the Law, but it is highly doubtful that you have a single droplet of common sense, or a sense of how this Board operates. If you did, you’d fucking man up and stop dancing around your fragile ego for long enough to say and do the right thing. Fucking lame. Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/2 "2006-07-22T11:57:54Z")
Lame pitting. **Bricker** admitted he was wrong about his first statement. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/3 "2006-07-22T12:13:00Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Lame pitting. **Bricker** admitted he was wrong about his first statement. Twice, actually. What are you so yanked up about, **Cartooniverse**? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/4 "2006-07-22T12:13:38Z")
It’s _hard_ to get **Bricker** to admit he’s wrong, but I’ve seen him to do it before. And he did it in the thread you alllude to - “I spoke…in error” is admitting you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/5 "2006-07-22T14:00:40Z")
After all the many times I’ve “helped” **Bricker** see where he’s been wrong, similarly without acknowledgment, it’s not easy to defend him on this one - but this was, in fact, one of the small percentage of times when he’s admitted it, however grudgingly. His usual approach is to simply drop the topic altogether from then on, or even less honestly, go on with it but petulantly try to pretend that some trivial side issue he feels comfortable with is the \*entire \* subject. Of course, it’s his own fault for posting flat assertions, even challenges like the one in the linked thread, without confirming them himself, out of some weird belief that it won’t be done by us mere nonlawyers either. You’d think he’d know better by now. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/6 "2006-07-22T14:13:11Z")
Zeros across the board, even from the Bulgarian judge. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/7 "2006-07-22T14:27:48Z")
I’m not getting this either. He very plainly admitted that he was mistaken twice. All the credit in the world to you for getting him to do that. Then you go and show your ass by starting this new thread. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/8 "2006-07-22T14:35:25Z")
[Pot, I would like to introduce you to Kettle…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355044&page=1&pp=50&highlight=cartooniverse+rape) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/9 "2006-07-22T14:38:23Z")
One of Bricker’s favorite gotcha tactics is to demand that someone promise to apologize for a prediction if it should not come to pass. But when he [makes a similar prediction](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=323677&highlight=bricker), no such retractions are ever forthcoming. What’s more, [he lies about having made them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7120586&postcount=29). We will see how Bricker responds when he loses [his bet with me regarding the 2006 election](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5874471&postcount=43). ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/10 "2006-07-22T14:43:23Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I’m not getting this either. He very plainly admitted that he was mistaken twice. All the credit in the world to you for getting him to do that. Then you go and show your ass by starting this new thread. WTF? Because he called the guy stupid. **Cartooniverse** wasn’t stupid and he wasn’t wrong. **Bricker’s** admittance, should’ve IMO, acknowledged that he called the guy stupid, when he wasn’t…and is typical of Bricker’s sickening tendency to treat non-lawyers like they’re well…stupid. I confess I cringed when I saw Bricker’s new title, as I knew it would only increase his tendency for “got you” postings and sheepskin thugery. YMMV, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/11 "2006-07-22T14:45:10Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > One of Bricker’s favorite gotcha tactics is to demand that someone promise to apologize for a prediction if it should not come to pass. But when he [makes a similar prediction](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=323677&highlight=bricker), no such retractions are ever forthcoming. What’s more, [he lies about having made them](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7120586&postcount=29). Now, let’s be honest here: in the first cite he was talking about O’Connor’s replacement, who turned out to be Alito, not Roberts. Therefore, when Roberts passed the Senate he was still OK. After Alito, however, he was fair game. Then I looked at your second cite, in which he says that he has withdrawn his “extraordinary circumstances” comments in numerous places, and you admit not having seen them. How, pray tell, does that constitute lying? You have now hurled incorrect allegations about **Bricker** , which makes you the second person in this thread to do so. What is this, dogpile on **Bricker** day? Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/12 "2006-07-22T14:55:19Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Now, let’s be honest here: in the first cite he was talking about O’Connor’s replacement, who turned out to be Alito, not Roberts. Therefore, when Roberts passed the Senate he was still OK. After Alito, however, he was fair game. Did the Democrts filibuster Alito? No? Then Bricker was wrong. Did he admit his prediction was wrong? **No he did not**. > [@](#): > > You have now hurled incorrect allegations about **Bricker** … Hardly. [I called him on this before](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7130339&highlight=filibuster#post7130339), and he declined to respond. I will repeat my charge again; \*\*Bricker \*\* is a liar. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/13 "2006-07-22T14:57:44Z")
> [@holmes](#): > > Because he called the guy stupid. **Cartooniverse** wasn’t stupid and he wasn’t wrong. **Bricker’s** admittance, should’ve IMO, acknowledged that he called the guy stupid, when he wasn’t…and is typical of Bricker’s sickening tendency to treat non-lawyers like they’re well…stupid. Maybe but he was Pitted for _never_ admitting when he was wrong when clearly he did admit that he was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/14 "2006-07-22T15:03:57Z")
Well then, I guess our OP was overly broad… ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/15 "2006-07-22T15:58:16Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > **DMC** found a perfect cite, but you just simply cannot make yourself say the honest and simple thing. Instead you hedge around the truth. From the very next post after DMC’s cite: > [@Bricker](#): > > Nonetheless, the charge was brought. I spoke overly broadly and in error and > [@Bricker](#): > > I was certainly wrong to suggest that no such charge had ever been brought. He suggested that charges couldn’t be brought, and a cite later admits he was wrong, but defended the idea that a conviction wouldn’t stand. This is a person who can’t admit he’s wrong? Just a little reading comprehension tip. When someone says “I was certainly wrong” usually that is an admission that they were wrong. I know “certainly” is a BIG word and may have confused you, but just sound it out and you’ll do fine. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/16 "2006-07-22T16:57:28Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > From the very next post after DMC’s cite: and He suggested that charges couldn’t be brought, and a cite later admits he was wrong, but defended the idea that a conviction wouldn’t stand. This is a person who can’t admit he’s wrong? > > Just a little reading comprehension tip. When someone says “I was certainly wrong” usually that is an admission that they were wrong. I know “certainly” is a BIG word and may have confused you, but just sound it out and you’ll do fine. Not only that, but he wasn’t as wrong as he admitted to being. The judge in the case in question dismissed that charge as a matter of law. That means that even if the prosecutor proved every fact beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant was not guilty. This would indicate to me that the prosecutor’s actions were inappropriate, and that the charge was bogus. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/17 "2006-07-22T17:20:54Z")
Friend Bricker is not guilty. Or, at least, not indictable. Much the same thing, in some circles. I myself have crossed words with him, and presented arguments of such utter clarity and irrefutable fact that I fairly expected him to fling himself at my feet in abject renunciation of his error. In which I have been disappointed. But in this instance, error was made and error admitted. \*Nolo contendere \* and _stark staring decisis_, go, and sin no more. The bar is open. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/18 "2006-07-22T17:37:12Z")
People look up to the SDSAB? Really? Since when? Hell…people notice the SDSAB title?! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/19 "2006-07-22T18:45:20Z")
**Bricker** has weaseled when clearly in error on past occasions (psst…[William Bennett](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=329735&highlight=gambling)…), but in this instance he does not demonstrate striking features of the genus _Mustela_. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592/20 "2006-07-22T19:10:50Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > People look up to the SDSAB? Really? Since when? > > Hell…people notice the SDSAB title?! My thoughts exactly. I don’t think I could name more than three of them, **Bricker** included. Lame rant. Lame poster. You lose; good day, sir! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-dammit-bricker-just-for-once-admit-you-were-wrong/365592.md?page=2)