# God-Damned mother-effing coward Spaniards. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 15, 2004, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324 "2004-03-15T00:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/41 "2004-03-15T03:10:57Z")
Muad’Dib, yours is one of the most disgusting posts I’ve ever seen on this board. Go to sleep, come back and read it again tomorrow morning, and hopefully you’ll realize what a disgusting little shit you are. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/42 "2004-03-15T03:16:12Z")
I think that the OP got it backwards. Governments that don’t listen to their people on a issue as important as war and the possible death of some of their finest young men are usually also disconnected from other realities that concern their constituency. I know from experience. The Spaniards were pissed at Aznar and his party already. It only happens that more of the ones that were pissed went to vote. Accussing the Spaniards of being cowards is ignorant and arrogant. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/43 "2004-03-15T03:17:17Z")
> [@Muad'Dib](#): > > [Socialists Oust Spain’s Conservatives](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&e=1&u=/ap/20040314/ap_on_re_eu/spain_elections) > > You disgusting, sniveling little cowards. Yeah, capitulating to the monsters that just killed hundreds of your people is the right thing to do. You have played into their hands. You have acted just as they desired. Yes, the terrorists have won, because Spain lacks the fucking balls to stand up for itself. > > You are a spineless excuse for human beings, and after an act like this you deserve nothing but the scorn and hatred of any future victims of terrorist slaughter. > > _Spits in the face of all those who self-righteously claimed that they were “voting for peace”_ If you would have said that in front of me I´d would have punched your teeth out of you fucking mouth, scum sucking son of a bitch; Spain has been dealing with terrorism for more than 30 years and now you feel like spiting on their face; you little maggot don´t have the right to say zip about how they should or should not react to terrorism. Aznar led Spain to a war COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE FIGHT AGAINST AL QAEDA, and the Spaniards decided to hand his ass in a plate for it, get that through you thick festering skull and then shut the fuck up. Those people didn´t die for the commitment of their country to swat Al Qaeda, but for the bootlicking attitude of Aznar and his goverment towards the USA. Yeah, and fuck you once again; I´ve never been so outraged by something I´ve read in this boards. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/44 "2004-03-15T03:18:13Z")
[Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4642150&postcount=64) is a link to a post in GD in a thread very like this one. An opinion from Spain. Makes a lot of sense to me. The OP here and the OP there are both full of shit. The citizens of Spain have every right to choose the government they best believe will do what is right. They’ve done that. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/45 "2004-03-15T03:18:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* Muad’Dib \*\* > You disgusting, sniveling little cowards. Yeah, capitulating to the monsters that just killed hundreds of your people is the right thing to do. You have played into their hands. You have acted just as they desired. Yes, the terrorists have won, because Spain lacks the fucking balls to stand up for itself. \*\* Muad’Dib, \*\* you are one of the biggest fucking assholes I have ever seen in my life. The terror attack that killed two hundred of their people only happened two days ago, and some piece of shit like you inevitably has to come out and kick them when they’re down. What would have you said if people called Americans ‘disgusting, sniveling, little cowards’ after September 11th? Oh right- “You can’t say anything mean to us because we’re grieving…” More than that, your idiotic scare mongering implies that people are ‘cowards’ for not automatically deferring to a right wing neo-fascist government during a period of turbulence. I applaud them for actually standing up for something, something many Americans seem unable to do- despite the fact that your hero Bush causes more terrorism than he prevents. Pull your head out of your ass. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/46 "2004-03-15T03:22:11Z")
So basically, Muad’Dib hates democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/47 "2004-03-15T03:25:50Z")
It seems pretty clear the election was changed by the bombings. It also seems likely that the bombings were timed to influence the elections. It’s not like it hasn’t happened before. But I guess I’d feel worse about the election except for the huge lack of disconnect that has been shown, since the whole Iraq thing started, between the will of the Spanish people and the will of the Spanish government. The 90% figure gets trotted out here quite a bit as a sample size of one, but even still most polls showed a large majority (more than 2/3) in favour of leaving Iraq. In no way can the Spanish be called “god-damned mother-effing cowards”, or even simple “cowards”, IMO. Pulling out of Iraq “when their tour of duty is done”, as the linked article says, is hardly cowardice. And there has been no public statement or indication that the Socialists will suddenly be sympathetic to the human scum of Al Queda or other Muslim terror groups - any moreso than they are towards the ETA. Is there any doubt, in fact, that the Spanish won’t want to find, try, and execute any and all behind this bombing? Will the Spanish people allow them to do less? I somehow doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/48 "2004-03-15T03:26:47Z")
Oh and I should have mentioned, I would be more than happy to assist Ale in beating the crap out of you. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/49 "2004-03-15T03:27:41Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So no matter how good your points was, I think the OP would argue that it doesn’t matter: the terrorists now **think** that they were singlehandedly responsible for turning around the election in their “favor,” so will attempt to do so again, and that’s all that matters. To which the answer is so what? So the terrorists will “think” they’re on to something, then that makes the next bomb is the fault of the entire Spanish nation? What, the Congressional cafeteria will now serve “Freedom Omelet”? American suicidal fools will boycott the next Pamplona running-of-the-bulls? And I dunno about the OP article, but the _Spanish_ media that I had access to before the bombing were NOT predicting that the PP would “win big”. Their majority was expected to shrink, and their retention in power was going to be based on domestic issues. Damn fucking shame that this happened to remind the people that their leader had signed them up on the “damn fool war” w/o taking a poll first – I can respect Aznar for that and the PP for facing the consequences of that decision, but when you sell “democracy” as meaning majority rule, you take that risk… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/50 "2004-03-15T03:31:18Z")
**Ale** : Great post, by the way. Your dismay is palpable. > [@Ale](#): > > Aznar led Spain to a war COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE FIGHT AGAINST AL QAEDA, and the Spaniards decided to hand his ass in a plate for it, get that through you thick festering skull and then shut the fuck up. What do you think it would take to get Americans to affect a similar kind of change? I’m sorry to sound selfish, but is there any way, in your opinion, to use this tragedy in Spain to positively influence the US? ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/51 "2004-03-15T03:32:53Z")
> [@Ray Walker](#): > > Do you post on SA? Because I saw this exact same post there, in General Bullshit. Yep, sure seems as if Kleebner & Muad’dib are one and the same idiot. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/52 "2004-03-15T03:38:16Z")
“SA”? Link, please? ---
**Author:** ![xcheopis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bc8723/32.png) [@xcheopis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xcheopis)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/53 "2004-03-15T03:41:53Z")
> [@minty green](#): > > “SA”? Link, please? [Here ya go.](http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=957703) ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/54 "2004-03-15T03:42:24Z")
To the people who have not read the article. 1. People of Spain are polled and look like they ar egoing to be voting one way. 2. Terrorists kill hundreds of Spaniards. 3. People of Spain dramatically change their vote to those whose policies jibe with terrorist demands. 1+2+3=terrorism works in Spain. BTW for those of you saying “OMG y do you hate democracy!?!?” **THIS IS NOT A SHOW OF DEMOCRACY!!!** This is a showing that bullying and murder work! This is a showing that, if you kill and terrorize, people will cower and do as you say! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/55 "2004-03-15T03:42:48Z")
> [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > Oh and I should have mentioned, I would be more than happy to assist Ale in beating the crap out of you. Ya. ‘Admiral Thistlebottom’ sounds like just the sort of swarthy fellow to dole out some pummelings. Maybe you can get Captain Frilly-cuffs to give you some backup! :rolleyes: Regardless, you are missing the point of **Muad’Dib** well-aimed Pitting. [There is quite a bit of evidence](http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/14/spain.blasts.election/index.html) to show that the electorate blames their involvement in Iraq for the attacks: > [@](#): > > Turnout was high at 76 percent with voters seeming to express anger with the government, **accusing it of provoking the Madrid attacks by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq** , which most Spaniards opposed. Sort of like an abused wife blaming herself for not making dinner quick enough or something. The _terrorists_ are to blame here, not the Spanish government. By ousting the ruling party, which looked like it was going to win in the week before the attacks, the Spanish people (40-some percent, anyways) have basically capitulated to terrorism. Those that changed there vote (or voted if they weren’t planning on doing so) due to the attacks, are the ones that deserve all of our scorn. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/56 "2004-03-15T03:43:35Z")
[Awful Linkage](http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=957703) ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/57 "2004-03-15T03:44:15Z")
> [@agiantdwarf](#): > > Hello, Kleebner. Hiya! ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/58 "2004-03-15T03:44:44Z")
Yeah… what **xcheopis** said… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/59 "2004-03-15T03:48:41Z")
> [@minty green](#): > > So basically, Muad’Dib hates democracy. Aw come on. You Texicans voted for Bush last time around and I’ve never suspected you for hating democracy every time you’ve taken a shot at Bush. And you Texicans ought to have known what Bush was all about. Democracy has never been perfect, but there’s nothing better. Now who said something like that ? ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324/60 "2004-03-15T03:50:05Z")
**Brutus** , that quote is not “quite a bit of evidence.” Is that statement from a poll of some sort? A voter survey? Anything other than speculation on the reporter’s part? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-damned-mother-effing-coward-spaniards/234324.md?page=4)