# God forbid we teach our kids **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 26, 2002, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853 "2002-11-26T06:46:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/241 "2002-11-27T00:48:08Z")
Wait!!! I know what you did **gobear** You “read between the lines.” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/242 "2002-11-27T00:48:42Z")
Well, I’ll be back in a while. Keep the home fires burning; my beautiful boyfriend and I are going out to enjoy a lovely evening of musical theatre. But it looks like KGUN9 has dropped the story altogether. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/243 "2002-11-27T00:49:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Do not impose your beliefs or political idealogies on me or my children, not matter how well meaning you may think you are. It’s really none of your business. Or the school board’s. Or the state’s. Or the Church’s. s what I paraphrased. And you’re a real bundle of openness and love yourself, aincha, **In Conceivable**? ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/244 "2002-11-27T00:50:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > \*\*Anyone who is against a program that could save the life of a troubled gay teen by spreading the TRUTH that there’s nothing wrong with being gay, that its not something you choose, and that its no reason to destroy yourself, is worse than a bigot. > Kirk \*\* Ahhh, but that’s where the rub comes in. Not everyone, including parents, believes your “truth” that there’s nothing wrong with being gay. And parents have every right to decide what their children are indoctrinated into. Kids shouldn’t be forced to sit and listen to people coming into the schools and promoting something that’s against their beliefs. You cannot force parents or children into believing that there’s nothing wrong with the gay lifestyle. They should be taught that violence and verbal abuse against people is wrong, I will agree. But not to try to force them to believe something is right that they believe to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/245 "2002-11-27T00:50:43Z")
Her obtunessness feeds the deadly silence. She is a killer, after a fashion, just like everyone who helps maintain the world that kills gay teens. And it is completely possible for a Methodist to be a fundamentalist. The denomination scaled far enough in both directions for that to be the case. Kirk ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/246 "2002-11-27T00:51:58Z")
> [@](#): > > You cannot force parents or children into believing that there’s nothing wrong with the gay lifestyle. They should be taught that violence and verbal abuse against people is wrong, I will agree. But not to try to force them to believe something is right that they believe to be wrong. Have you ever met a gay person? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/247 "2002-11-27T00:52:11Z")
_sad_ Kirk, don’t you do anything but hate anymore? Is there anybody or anything you don’t hate? ---
**Author:** ![Kirkland1244](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kirkland1244](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kirkland1244)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/248 "2002-11-27T00:53:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > **Not everyone, including parents, believes your “truth” that there’s nothing wrong with being gay.** They also tend to be the dim-bulbs who think that evolution is “teaching atheism,” so we already do the right thing and ignore them. In order to save teh lives of children, we should apply the same action to their bigotted, hateful, evil views on gays. > [@](#): > > Kids shouldn’t be forced to sit and listen to people coming into the schools and promoting something that’s against their beliefs. So I take it you’re against school prayer, then. > [@](#): > > You cannot force parents or children into believing that there’s nothing wrong with the gay lifestyle. No such thing as “the gay lifestyle.” We’ve been over this before, dim bulb. But then, you’re incapable of learning, aren’t you? Kirk ---
**Author:** ![lynn73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@lynn73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lynn73)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/249 "2002-11-27T00:55:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Have you ever met a gay person? \*\* Not that I know of. I’ve been told that our mayor is gay but I haven’t met him personally. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/250 "2002-11-27T00:55:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > **And it is completely possible for a Methodist to be a fundamentalist. The denomination scaled far enough in both directions for that to be the case.** Fine, **Kirk**. _I_ think this program being done without parental approval is a _horrible_ idea too, for about a half-dozen reasons, many of which **Jodi** mentioned. So. You gonna call me a fundamentalist? A homophobe? Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/251 "2002-11-27T00:58:41Z")
Oops. Missing the last sentence, without which, the post doesn’t make much sense: 'Cause normal people realize that it’s possible for someone to disagree with them without the other person being evil. ---
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/252 "2002-11-27T00:59:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Do not impose your beliefs or political idealogies on me or my children, not matter how well meaning you may think you are. It’s really none of your business. Or the school board’s. Or the state’s. Or the Church’s. > is what > I paraphrased. And you’re a real bundle of openness and love yourself, aincha, **In Conceivable**? \*\* Actually I am a big bundle of love. I just don’t care for you very much. How do you get from **Witch’s** quote above “I hate gay people and if my child were gay I wouldn’t love him”??? I can’t read that between those lines no matter how hard I try. ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/253 "2002-11-27T00:59:16Z")
**gobear** , go back and read my posts again. I’ m starting to think you’re truly an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/254 "2002-11-27T01:00:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Not everyone, including parents, believes your “truth” that there’s nothing wrong with being gay. And parents have every right to decide what their children are indoctrinated into. Well, you’ve convinced me - they do have every right to risk, or intentionally help to bring about, their own children’s despair, depression, and self-destruction. Because gay kids’ lives are just not as important as having your own little world-view enforced without ever allowing any points of view let in that might save them. ---
**Author:** ![In\_Conceivable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@In\_Conceivable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/In_Conceivable)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/255 "2002-11-27T01:01:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Witch \* > \*\ ***gobear** , go back and read my posts again. I’ m starting to think you’re truly an idiot. \*\* You are just starting to think that? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/256 "2002-11-27T01:04:50Z")
I try to give the benfit of the doubt **In Conceivable**. Time’s up 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/257 "2002-11-27T01:05:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kirkland1244 \* > \*\* > Yeah, no big deal at all, I mean, they’re only kids, and some of them’ll only fucking end up dead because of the silence Jodi wants. No big deal at all. Just a few worthless fags, after all. Better off dead, no doubt. > Kirk \*\* What I mean is, I don’t think it’s a big deal if the school has an assembly or a guest speaker on being tolerant to those who are gay/lesbian. Sorry, that was my fault-I should have made myself more clear. **gobear** , then I also appologize. However, what you said about rank and file Catholics, for the record, hurt my feelings. I have always respected you, and considered you a friend. BUT, to insinuate that the average Joe Catholic, by continuing to support their parish is supporting what went on-that goes beyond the pale. However, I appologize for misquoting you. **Kirk** -you, I am worried about. You seem EXTREMELY hostile, misanthropic and rabid beyond belief. Have you ever considered seeing a counselor or a therapist? Because you come off as an extremely angry individual who still is NOT at peace with your life. And while you may have good reason to be upset, it is extremely unhealthy to be nothing more than a simmering pot of rage. I sense a meltdown, **Freak Freely** style. Please, think about it. At the very LEAST, you’re going to give yourself a heart attack within two years. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/258 "2002-11-27T01:06:22Z")
Shoot, **Fenmris** , I thought you liked me. But if you think that tolerance toward gays is qualitatively different from tolerance towards Jews or Catholics or blacks or Latinos, so much so that the topic ought not to be broached without parental permission, that makes me very sad. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/259 "2002-11-27T01:09:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyone who is against a program that could save the life of a troubled gay teen by spreading the TRUTH that there’s nothing wrong with being gay, that its not something you choose, and that its no reason to destroy yourself, is worse than a bigot. Well, Kirky, it was mentioned earlier in this thread, so I have to ask… do you feel the same way about programs that would teach children about guns, gun safety, and proper gun use? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2002, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853/260 "2002-11-27T01:09:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Not that I know of. I’ve been told that our mayor is gay but I haven’t met him personally. \*\* Well, you know a few online. (although in this thread, we’re all being nasty.) Can you not just tell your children that these people are sinners, but that you must love them reguardless? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-forbid-we-teach-our-kids/138853.md?page=14)