# God, Gays, and Christianity **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 9, 2002, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731 "2002-09-09T23:08:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![bloomingpouf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@bloomingpouf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bloomingpouf)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2002, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/121 "2002-09-20T23:47:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Huh. I was wondering if anyone (some pervert!) was going to post here how he’d like to see **dreamer** and **vanilla** kiss. > > But…guess theres no perverts here.😉 \*\* I’d be more interested in Chocolate and Vanilla my self - with lots of hot sauce and no fudge! What a Dreamy Vision:D ---
**Author:** ![bloomingpouf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@bloomingpouf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bloomingpouf)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/122 "2002-09-21T12:08:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by His4ever \* > \*\*Excuse me, but I’d appreciate it if you’d stop attributing to me attitudes, feelings, and ideas that arent’ so. > > I **didn’t** just wake up one day thinking about men kissing and decide it was wrong. For the unteenth time, I believe it’s wrong because I believe God says it’s wrong, period. > > Even if I didn’t have God’s word to tell me that, the fact that there are 2 sexes and I see men and women together would tell me something. If I saw 2 men or 2 women together acting all lovey dovey, my natural God-given instincts would tell me something wasn’t right. But I **do** have His word. \*\* \*\*Natural God Given Instinct??? How Interesting!!! And how Odd – the way you use the term anyway!\*\* Your Throwing your God Given stones due to your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and causing injury and suffering whilst denying those same _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ in others. Rather **Self Centred** – **Egotistical** and even a bit **Arrogant** That! In my Book that is intolerance and prejudice and even bearing false witness against others about your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and how others have not got them. Now what happens when that same _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ as it is made manifest in my life looks at two Guys Kissing in a passionate embrace and those same _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ go - WOW that is so beautiful??? I feel the same way when I see anyone expressing their love ( Spiritual, Emotional , Physical and even sexual ) to another person and with an open heart! Does that make _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ wrong or less valid than yours??? Or perhaps I’m not limiting _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ to my self and others out of arrogance and self serving bias??? You seem to be very focused upon mystical messages from what you define as God – what he has told you in the Bible ( Via His Ghost Writers ) and how your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ make you feel. I’d love to see how your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ would behave in _Cultures and Environments_ where two men kissing is not seen as sexual? It seems that _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ condemn you to stay put in the world and to _Decry Other Cultures and Countries_ – Authorised by Your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_! You seem to be Focused upon Your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and you see these as Immutable – but they are in fact more a _Societal Adaptation_ and you clearly need to drop your self cantered prejudices or you will have one hell of a time in the real world. _Prejudice is an evil_ so it would seem that the devil has warped your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and is causing you to suffer! You are a product of your up bringing and your environment and making excuses that rely upon a deity that is world wide and which many see very differently does come across as very Egocentric! What about others _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and how these are mad manifest in other cultures? If your one for _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ – one has to wonder why God Gave so many Poufs the Instinct to be Poufs. \*Is God one for just playing games and inciting Riot??? \* _Is God a hate monger and a bigot who just wants to cause trouble in the world???_ Be careful using the term God Given when claiming support for your mind set – it can open up trap doors under your feet that lead to very deep and dark places that you sure are not willing to visit – cos your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ is to run from reality and hide behind a deity of you’re own creation. It’s almost like the Wizard of Oz – and your playing Dorothy! Your Throwing your God Given stones due to your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and causing injury and suffering whilst denying those same _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ in others. In my Book that is intolerance and prejudice and even bearing false witness against others about your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and how others have not got them. Then We have to deal with a few entries in the bible and how these should relate to your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_. What is your view of a man having Cow Shit Spread all over his face – does it make you feel queasy or Ickyy??? Well if your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ are Working right you will be so happy at the idea and will gladly do it yourself. Mal. 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, … behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces. It says it’s to be in the Bible – but if by any chance your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ should make you Go YUCK – it’s either that your MindSet and view of _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ is wrong – or your in league with Old Nick – Father of all darkness - and will have to do a lot more to have your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ adopted worldwide and working the right way! I Do hope that you never end up in a car wreck and need life saving surgery on the lord your God’s declared Sabbath– it will make you seem so ungrateful as you Follow your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and what god has told you when your Slaughter all the staff in The Emergency Room. You will have to do what is says in the Bible and your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ will of course agree with the good book where is says Ex. 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Mind you we will all want to know which way your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ will lead you? Will you Slaughter the ER Staff before or after the Life Saving Surgery??? I do hope that you are not let out on the sabbeth or K mart and other stores will be blood baths! I hope too that you walk around blind fold and your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ are not let loose when there is adultery about – you just won’t be able to stop yourself when your required to follow the Good Book where it says: “Lev. 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.” I’ll have to make sure that Prince Charles is warned about visiting America when your about – you will want to Have him Offed to ensure that your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and what the Good Book say are always together. Given that you have problems with men kissing in public due to your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_, we won’t be seeing you in Europe – Thank Buddha! In fact I can’t understand how you can get through a single day Given your Self Professed _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and how you follow the Word of Your God – without Offing some poor bugger who just gets in your way. Are you on the FBI’s Most wanted list? Mind you, what gets me is that if you follow the Good Book and Kill an Adulterer and the Good Book says “Thou Shalt Not Kill” – exactly what do your _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ and the good book say about that??? Your a hypocrite if you do and a Hypocrite if you don’t - some _“God Given Instinct(s)”_ that is! ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/123 "2002-09-21T18:15:47Z")
**dreamer** you are weird! I like that in a friend. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2002, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/124 "2002-09-21T21:28:32Z")
Ooooooooooooooooo-kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then… Esprix ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/125 "2002-09-22T06:15:03Z")
Well I’m glad to hear I’m Ooooooooooo-kaaaaaaaaaaaay with you **vanilla** It’s all good. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/126 "2002-09-22T19:24:12Z")
> [@](#): > > It sounds like the Editor of The NEW YORK TIMES… and he knows he’s God! “All the Good News that’s fit to print”?? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2002, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/127 "2002-09-22T19:24:59Z")
ah, please excuse us Esprix.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/128 "2002-09-23T06:18:29Z")
(My "Okay"s were meant as a response to **blooming** ’s… _enthusiastic_ posts. :rolleyes: ) Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Drastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Drastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drastic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/129 "2002-09-23T15:27:14Z")
Polycarp, way back yonder on page 1, you said: > [@](#): > > 1. Presuming the political power to do so, to what extent is a Christian required or permitted to impose his moral standards on those who hold different moral standards? > > My view here probably differs from everybody else whatsoever. I believe that the standards I outlined in (8) – other than the calling to conversion – are absolute moral standards which all decent people ought to follow. So yes, I think that behavior ought to be somehow enforced. I’d like you to return to that and expand, if you’re willing to, because I simply don’t see how it’s remotely possible to enforce “love one another” as a legal construction. But what I see and what I do not aren’t necessarily indicative of what’s actually there or not there (which seems a lesson many among the literalists should take to heart, but I digress). ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731/130 "2002-09-23T15:50:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Drastic \* > \*\*Polycarp, way back yonder on page 1, you said: > > I’d like you to return to that and expand, if you’re willing to, because I simply don’t see how it’s remotely possible to enforce “love one another” as a legal construction. \*\* I think a lot of Christians would have bother with this - I came to the conclusion as a child that “Love thy neighbour as thyself” was a big NO-NO in the church my parents belonged to - because they were so into this “we are all miserable sinners” and “man is vile” mode that not one of them seemed to LIKE themselves - never mind LOVE themselves - so HOW could they like or love others!! Never mind “thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife” - or “thy neighbours ass” for that matter - HOW in Hades could these be legally enforceable. Maybe the gov.t could employ telepaths - as in “Babylon 5” to enforce it and catch one of you guys looking lustfully at some big hairy shopper in shorts in the supermarket - read his mind and slap him in jail. Bring on the Thoughtpolice!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-gays-and-christianity/127731.md?page=6)