# God hates the fag King James Bible **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215 "2009-08-21T16:55:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/61 "2009-08-22T03:30:50Z")
Well he was the Elector of Hanover, actually. He was also the very last English monarch to be painted wearing [armor.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GeorgeIThornhill.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/62 "2009-08-22T03:35:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The Virgin Queen left no heir. James was available, appropriately male and blooded, and not a fanatic about religion. But wasn’t he a secret Catholic? Or is that someone else? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/63 "2009-08-22T03:44:12Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Well he was the Elector of Hanover, actually. He was also the very last English monarch to be painted wearing [armor.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GeorgeIThornhill.jpg) Right – it was George III that became KING of Hanover. But I didn’t want to confuse the poor guy further. **dropzone** – his mother was Catholic, but James was a Protestant. Maybe you’re thinking of James II and VII, or Bonnie Prince Charlie? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/64 "2009-08-22T11:01:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **dropzone** – his mother was Catholic, but James was a Protestant. Maybe you’re thinking of James II and VII, or Bonnie Prince Charlie? That Stuart family switched sides regularly, and went to bat for the other team. – I mean Catholic vs. Protestant, not gay vs. straight here. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/65 "2009-08-22T11:14:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > But wasn’t he a secret Catholic? Or is that someone else? James II was openly (if discretely) Catholic; his brother and predecessor Charles II may have secretly converted to Catholicism late in life. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/66 "2009-08-22T11:22:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Rum, sodomy, and the lash: pick two. I thought sodomy and the lash were included as one? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/67 "2009-08-22T12:58:14Z")
Sure, if you want, but no egg roll. ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/68 "2009-08-22T15:52:02Z")
Suddenly, I realize why I have always found [this guy](http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/09/ceo_socnet/image/burger-king.jpg) so disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/69 "2009-08-22T16:12:43Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I thought sodomy and the lash were included as one? Nice try, Mapplethorpe. Now bite down on this. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/70 "2009-08-22T16:24:07Z")
So that’s why they call you “Stumpy Dick”. I thought maybe your first name was Richard… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/71 "2009-08-23T04:56:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > James II was openly (if discretely) Catholic; his brother and predecessor Charles II may have secretly converted to Catholicism late in life. I generally depend on my wife for such historical details, but since she discovered that the net does not only contain race-horse rescue sites, her formerly-encyclopedic responses, which once included the papers of both the Stuarts and their mounts, are typically, “I dunno.” Further proof of the dumbing-down of the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/72 "2009-08-23T05:31:28Z")
I think there’s way too much vitriol in this thread. Seriously. You all need to sit and smoke a fag. Or maybe eat a nice juicy faggot. When everyone has calmed down, we should concentrate on serious matters of Eglish History, such as the 1414 Fire and Faggot Parliament, which gave the right of poundage to Henry V. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/73 "2009-08-23T05:37:52Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I’m pretty sure you’ve been wooshed. I’m not thinking the point of the pitting was the tight and solid logical argument which it was presenting. > > (I wonder if _I’ve_ just been wooshed? There’s reason to think so…) Yes, I was well aware of the parodic intent of the OP, I should perhaps have said weak satire rather than pitting. The satire falls down because American fundamentalists couldn’t give a flying fuck about King James or his predilections. They’re Americans, with no time for monarchs of any description. I repeat, it’s the book, not the ruler who happened to authorize it, that they revere. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/74 "2009-08-23T08:08:48Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Come on, you really don’t think that letters from James to another man addressing the other man as his “sweet child and wife” and saying that he wants nothing more in life than to be with the other man is good evidence that he was gay? Check out a book by John Woodall called _The Surgion’s Mate_ first published in 1617. After the introduction he goes on to list the qualities a surgeon’s mate should have which includes a willingness to shave and cut hair, to learn, do what is best for the health of the crew, and it gets really weird gender wise with how the mate should be in regards to the surgeon. I wish I had a copy in front of me but Woodall says that a surgeon’s mate should be like a “wife” and behaving in a loving manner towards the surgeon. So, no, I don’t see such written statements as good evidence that he was gay. Though I suppose it’s possible. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/75 "2009-08-23T08:19:09Z")
A metaphorical passage in a surgeon’s manual is pretty different from one man writing, in first-person, that he thinks of another man as his wife, in a letter to that man. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/76 "2009-08-23T12:57:34Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The satire falls down because American fundamentalists couldn’t give a flying fuck about King James or his predilections. They’re Americans, with no time for monarchs of any description. And yet every Christmas, sing their praises: _Fag King Wen-ces-las slid down On the fist of Ste-phen…_ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/77 "2009-08-23T14:55:09Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I repeat, it’s the book, not the ruler who happened to authorize it, that they revere. Love the sin, hate the sinner? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/78 "2009-08-23T16:39:45Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > What’s “accurate” and “truth” varies from believer to believer no matter what source they use. For nonbelievers, same same. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/79 "2009-08-23T16:56:34Z")
If Phelps can protest ELECTROLUX vacuum cleaners because Sweden is a “pro-fag country” then he can protest the King James Bible because King James was a big queen. By the way, my parents had an old Electrolux vacuum made in 1989. Throughout my entire childhood - up till age 19 - they went through at least two dozen of the newest, high-tech vacuums, and none of them ever lasted more than a year. But that Electrolux kept on sucking, and sucking, and sucking. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/80 "2009-08-23T17:18:07Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > For nonbelievers, same same. Don’t know about that, **Lib**. For one I have no Official Guide To Disbelieving that I adhere to and secondly, I am perfectly content with saying “I don’t know…and neither do you.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215.md?page=5)