# God hates the fag King James Bible **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215 "2009-08-21T16:55:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/81 "2009-08-23T17:20:17Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > A metaphorical passage in a surgeon’s manual is pretty different from one man writing, in first-person, that he thinks of another man as his wife, in a letter to that man. You might be right. Or, possibly, saying such things had a different meaning in the late 16th early 17th century than we in the 21st century would interpret it to mean. Even if Robert Carr and George Villers did have a relationship with James I don’t think we can put James firmly in the gay category. He also had a relationship with Anne Murray (who knew she’d been around this long) and didn’t seem to have a big problem fathering eight children with his wife, Anne of Denmark. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/82 "2009-08-23T18:26:24Z")
I think he was most likely bisexual. But according to Phred Felps that’s the same thing as being a FAG. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/83 "2009-08-23T18:49:15Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > …and didn’t seem to have a big problem fathering eight children with his wife, Anne of Denmark. .. “Grit your teeth and think of England.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/84 "2009-08-23T19:04:51Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > didn’t seem to have a big problem fathering eight children with his wife, Anne of Denmark. Did they look like him? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/85 "2009-08-24T03:59:40Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Don’t know about that, **Lib**. For one I have no Official Guide To Disbelieving that I adhere to and secondly, I am perfectly content with saying “I don’t know…and neither do you.” Me too. And I’m a believer. I think, Red, that the only difference between us as men — I mean besides our personality and stuff like that — is that my experience has led me to faith and yours has not. Simple as that. No need for me to think you’re wrong or bad or anything like that. No need for you to think I’m delusional or unquestioning or anything like that. I have no Official Gudie To Believing that I adhere to. And I’m very content with saying “I don’t know” when I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![alterego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@alterego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alterego)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/86 "2009-08-24T04:55:49Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Me too. And I’m a believer. I think, Red, that the only difference between us as men — I mean besides our personality and stuff like that — is that my experience has led me to faith and yours has not. Simple as that. No need for me to think you’re wrong or bad or anything like that. No need for you to think I’m delusional or unquestioning or anything like that. I have no Official Gudie To Believing that I adhere to. And I’m very content with saying “I don’t know” when I don’t know. Reality check. When an atheist hears you say: > [@](#): > > I’m a believer. They immediately believe that you are : > [@](#): > > delusional. . ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/87 "2009-08-24T12:35:12Z")
> [@alterego](#): > > Reality check. When an atheist hears you say: [I’m a believer] … They immediately believe that you are : [delusional]. That’s certainly not true of all atheists. SentientMeat is one example. And there are others, even on this board. Not all atheists are anti-theists. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/88 "2009-08-24T12:58:29Z")
Start a new thread if you want to debate about atheism; there are already approximately 92,000 threads about atheism here. But there’s only one thread about a FAG KING. Let’s get back on point here: faaaaaaaagggggggs. King James was a big old gay queen, and anyone who reads that book which is named after him is endorsing the practice of male-on-male sexual contact. It’s even rumoured that King James himself actually devised elaborate cryptographic codes which were formed by the order of letters and numbers in his bible; when decoded, they spell out gay sonnets and songs of homosexual love. And originally the leather binding was made out of the skin of a stud stallion’s penis. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/89 "2009-08-24T13:18:10Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Love the sin, hate the sinner? I can make neither head nor tail of that in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/90 "2009-08-24T13:21:17Z")
King James loved the sin (making love to handsome young men) but hated the sinner (persecuted other homosexuals) - typical self-loathing behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/91 "2009-08-24T16:45:21Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Start a new thread if you want to debate about atheism; there are already approximately 92,000 threads about atheism here. But there’s only one thread about a FAG KING. Let’s get back on point here: faaaaaaaagggggggs. King James was a big old gay queen, and anyone who reads that book which is named after him is endorsing the practice of male-on-male sexual contact. It’s even rumoured that King James himself actually devised elaborate cryptographic codes which were formed by the order of letters and numbers in his bible; when decoded, they spell out gay sonnets and songs of homosexual love. And originally the leather binding was made out of the skin of a stud stallion’s penis. Well, why don’t you tell Fred then? What the hell is it to us? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/92 "2009-08-24T16:56:12Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Well, why don’t you tell Fred then? What the hell is it to us? Ha! The reason is obvious: Fred would ignore **Argent Towers** , but here **AT** gets a response. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/93 "2009-08-24T17:03:38Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > King James was a big old gay queen, and anyone who reads that book which is named after him is endorsing the practice of male-on-male sexual contact. It’s even rumoured that King James himself actually devised elaborate cryptographic codes which were formed by the order of letters and numbers in his bible; when decoded, they spell out gay sonnets and songs of homosexual love. And originally the leather binding was made out of the skin of a stud stallion’s penis. None of these are true. :rolleyes: And since James didn’t write a word of that bible, parts are even impossible. Also note that the use of “Fag” in this context gets close to hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/94 "2009-08-24T17:09:02Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Start a new thread if you want to debate about atheism; there are already approximately 92,000 threads about atheism here. But there’s only one thread about a FAG KING. Let’s get back on point here: faaaaaaaagggggggs. King James was a big old gay queen, and anyone who reads that book which is named after him is endorsing the practice of male-on-male sexual contact. It’s even rumoured that King James himself actually devised elaborate cryptographic codes which were formed by the order of letters and numbers in his bible; when decoded, they spell out gay sonnets and songs of homosexual love. And originally the leather binding was made out of the skin of a stud stallion’s penis. I don’t practice any religion, and I have no idea whether or not King James sucked dick. I do now know, based on this thread, that you are a dick. A trolling dick. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/95 "2009-08-24T17:11:54Z")
I have no idea why the OP enjoys typing the word “fag” so much, but it’s kind of drowning out whatever point he intended to make. Yeah, I get that the first post was (lame\*) satire, but it’s gone way past redundancy into some sort of obsessive-compulsive behavior. - Lame because most religious types, of which I am not, would say that God can work through sinners as well as saints. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/96 "2009-08-24T17:30:50Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Yes, I was well aware of the parodic intent of the OP, I should perhaps have said weak satire rather than pitting. > > The satire falls down because American fundamentalists couldn’t give a flying fuck about King James or his predilections. They’re Americans, with no time for monarchs of any description. > > I repeat, it’s the book, not the ruler who happened to authorize it, that they revere. But the kind of Christian that’s being parodied doesn’t make that sort of distinction. They’ll boycott a Disney film, because Disney provides same-sex benefits to its employees, for example. Which I think makes a fairly apt comparison between King James and the King James Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/97 "2009-08-24T17:32:21Z")
Oh, and also: > [@alterego](#): > > Reality check. When an atheist hears you say: > > > [@](#): > > > > I’m a believer. > > They immediately believe that you are : > > > [@](#): > > > > delusional > > . Speak for yourself, jackass. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/98 "2009-08-24T18:35:34Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Yes, I was well aware of the parodic intent of the OP, I should perhaps have said weak satire rather than pitting. > > The satire falls down because American fundamentalists couldn’t give a flying fuck about King James or his predilections. They’re Americans, with no time for monarchs of any description. > > I repeat, it’s the book, not the ruler who happened to authorize it, that they revere. Okay, now I’m sure you’ve been wooshed. The point of the satire was that SOME people attack things like vacuum cleaners due to there being objectinably qualities about their _country of origin_. It’s guilt by loose, loose association. So it doesn’t matter if James was a king or a shoemaker - the issue that is spooftastically at hand is that he “wrote” the KJV, and is a FAG. A faggity faggity fag fag fag, with fag-sauce on top\*. And that’s enough to taint his works, by gum! - persons who think I’m hate-speechifying have been wooshed. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/99 "2009-08-24T18:46:19Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > If Phelps can protest ELECTROLUX vacuum cleaners because Sweden is a “pro-fag country” then he can protest the King James Bible because King James was a big queen. > > By the way, my parents had an old Electrolux vacuum made in 1989. Throughout my entire childhood - up till age 19 - they went through at least two dozen of the newest, high-tech vacuums, and none of them ever lasted more than a year. But that Electrolux kept on sucking, and sucking, and sucking. How’s your eyesight? ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215/100 "2009-08-24T20:13:59Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But the kind of Christian that’s being parodied doesn’t make that sort of distinction. They’ll boycott a Disney film, because Disney provides same-sex benefits to its employees, for example. Which I think makes a fairly apt comparison between King James and the King James Bible. It’s not apt at all. Boycotting Disney has a chance of (a) affecting Disney’s future behavior and (b) drawing people’s attention to the “evil” that Disney is doing at present. King James’ present and future behavior are not of much concern. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-hates-the-fag-king-james-bible/507215.md?page=6)