# God is HP stuff junk.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 22, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451 "2011-06-22T17:07:57Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/21 "2011-06-22T19:46:48Z")
I was trying to figure out where/why God was stuffing Harry Potter’s junk…
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### Author:  [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/22 "2011-06-22T20:01:01Z")
products from HP depend on what, when, maybe where.
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### Author:  [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/23 "2011-06-22T20:13:55Z")
I can get behind this rant.
My work HP (eletebook 2530p) is on its third solid state hard drive, it has been reimaged 3 times, the IT department had to disable the finger print scanner and the camera which seams to have solved a reoccuring BSOD issue. It never comes out of hibernate and so needs a hard reboot.
The battery lasts though, which is a good thing as it can take forever to boot up.
No doubt most of that is a configuration/dumbarse user problem, but I am trying to figure out how to get around our corporate IT policy and get a Dell.
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### Author:  [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/24 "2011-06-22T20:50:44Z")
Online customer reviews of most of HP’s printers (other than the very high end stuff) are uncomplimentary. It’s why I went with a Canon this time around after years of faithfully buying HP printers. Generally, comments run the gamut from ‘hard to set up’ to 'broke within days of taking it out of the box; returned for replacement; repeat.
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### Author:  [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/25 "2011-06-22T20:57:37Z")
> [@Sailboat](#):
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> God does not have enough hit points.
I don’t know how many he’d need. If you ever managed to hit an omnipotent being with a sword he’s already really dropped the ball.
🙂
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### Author:  [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/26 "2011-06-22T23:37:57Z")
It doesn’t matter if it’s HP, Dell, Apple, Gateway, Toshiba, Acer, or ASUS. If you buy the cheapest computer (or whatever) on the shelf, it’s going to be a piece of shit.
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### Author:  [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)
#### Post date: [June 22, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/27 "2011-06-22T23:59:58Z")
I’ve had two HP desktops, an HP laptop, and an HP printer. All worked/work fine with no problems at all. My officemates, 90% of whom own Macs and talk about them like the second coming of Christ, have all had their laptops in the shop for various issues. Mine is always fine. They hate that.
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### Author:  [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/28 "2011-06-23T00:02:13Z")
> [@Sitnam](#):
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> I don’t know how many he’d need. If you ever managed to hit an omnipotent being with a sword he’s already really dropped the ball.
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> 🙂
I dunno…one min/maxing, treacherous Cleric with points in Bluff might be able to take a shot at Him.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/29 "2011-06-23T00:31:53Z")
> [@johnpost](#):
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> products from HP depend on what, when, maybe where.
That sounds about right. Our HP digital camera is a bulletproof workhorse that I’ve been abusing for about seven years now.
> [@Palooka](#):
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> It doesn’t matter if it’s HP, Dell, Apple, Gateway, Toshiba, Acer, or ASUS. If you buy the cheapest computer (or whatever) on the shelf, it’s going to be a piece of shit.
If you buy Apple, you’re not likely to be buying the cheapest anything. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/30 "2011-06-23T00:42:11Z")
> [@pedescribe](#):
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> I dunno…one min/maxing, treacherous Cleric with points in Bluff might be able to take a shot at Him.
Yeah but I’d say even then only if He was outside His domain, which if we’re talking about the classical Judeochristian God would pretty much only leave Hell?
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### Author:  [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/31 "2011-06-23T00:50:53Z")
> [@thirdwarning](#):
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> We currently have two HP printers set up, because the old workhorse that we thought might need to be replaced just hasn’t decided to die yet. It’s only going on thirteen years now. It is a little noisy lately, but the problem that made us think it was on its way out seems to have resolved itself.
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> We did set up the new one because we needed the scanner. So it’s getting the bulk of the work now. I plan to keep running the old one until it does totally die, though, because I hate the thought of losing the fairly new cartridges in it.
> And a bit off topic, but the OP hit one of my recent hot buttons. Your HP laptop might be a piece of junk. It might be the Mondayest or Fridayest of laptops ever produced. But IT’S JUST ONE LAPTOP! IT’S NOT A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE! JUST BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO YOU DOESN’T MEAN IT HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY, EVERY TIME!!
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> Okay, I’ll calm down now.
Laptops are inherently low on the reliability ratings because they are frequently moved, bumped, subjected to greater temperature variations and etc than their bulkier cousins.
However, HP laptops have the worst reliability of any major manufacturer, and I’ve been citing this for some years now: [link](http://smidgenpc.com/2010/05/07/laptop-reliability-ratings-which-laptop-is-really-most-reliable/)
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### Author:  [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/32 "2011-06-23T01:22:54Z")
Everything made by HP inherently sucks (thanks, Carly!) but if Agilent made consumer electronics I’d seriously consider their products.
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### Author:  [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/33 "2011-06-23T01:26:36Z")
Part of the reason HP sucks is that the working conditions have gone to hell. The company was considered one of the best to work for–bright people, innovative thinking … then Carly Fiorina took over and destroyed it. The few people I knew who worked there consider her pure evil–they all left for greener pastures. Her push for H-1B visas also alienated a lot of engineers. As a result, you have less than sterling people working for the organization. Most reviews I hear about HP is that it’s a horrible place to work for. Maybe someone on this board could correct me if I’m being too harsh, but I have yet to meet anyone who would make it a long-term career there.
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### Author:  [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/34 "2011-06-23T01:42:37Z")
My HP laptop is physically sound, nearly 2 years old and she’s still running okay. Had to reformat a couple of times, but that may have been my own fault. I don’t surf safe sometimes 😃
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### Author:  [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/35 "2011-06-23T02:24:19Z")
HP makes hundreds (thousands?) of products. You get one bad laptop and are able to categorically say everything made by HP is junk? I have to question your data analysis method.
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### Author:  [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/36 "2011-06-23T04:06:11Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#):
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> Sounds like you got a lemon Stan.
A **combustible** lemon? /🙂
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### Author:  [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/37 "2011-06-23T07:59:07Z")
We sell HP stuff at work and it’s generally pretty middle-of-the-road, quality wise, at least IME- some individual models seem to have issues with them (there’s at least one printer I can think of where it seemed like over 50% of the ones we sold came back with issues), but I’d hardly describe it as “junk”.
Having said that, I’ve noticed what I’d consider a decrease in build quality in some of the more recent models- they seem more “plasticky” and less “solid” than they used to, although that’s really not high on the concerns list for people looking for $50 printers to print off order confirmations and e-mails etc.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/38 "2011-06-23T08:14:35Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#):
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> HP makes hundreds (thousands?) of products. You get one bad laptop and are able to categorically say everything made by HP is junk? I have to question your data analysis method.
Is there some reason you say this about HP, but not the hundreds of other Pit threads where a single product or interaction is considered indicative of the entire company?
And, anyways, the guy cited an expert who agreed with him, and at least half the posts in this thread are agreeing. It’s not just one laptop.
I have to admit, though, my 1999 HP 700Mhz PIII is still going strong. Even its original hard drive works. Wait, the graphics card piss out a few years ago, but that was an easy fix.
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### Author:  [@Yorikke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorikke)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/39 "2011-06-23T09:14:27Z")
> [@cjepson](#):
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> God is H; P stuff, junk!
No, they messed it up bad. Works on contingency? No, money down!
Joe
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### Author:  [@Jaguars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaguars)
#### Post date: [June 23, 2011, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-is-hp-stuff-junk/586451/40 "2011-06-23T09:25:43Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#):
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> HP makes hundreds (thousands?) of products. You get one bad laptop and are able to categorically say everything made by HP is junk? I have to question your data analysis method.
OK, how about:
HP inkjet printer (2001), spluttered on from about 6 months onward. copious ink consumption, chewed up paper, expensive cartridges that dried up if not used regularly.
HP 48gII calculator (2004) - $400 standard calc for my surveying classes - keys broke on 12 out of 30 classmates. widespread fault apparently. HP solution? introduce 49g with working keys for $100 more - and continue selling the old 48gII stock.
HP CD-R/RW burner (2001) - On the old family PC. Had a sucess rate of about 1 in 10 discs, would take 30 minutes to write before failing.
HP Dv5 Laptop (2010). I’m writing this on it. not too bad, only problem is it tends to overheat when i play starcraft on my bed 😃 would actually recomend.
HP hardware related software- universally awful. got rid of it wherever I thought I could get away from it.
HP Documentation- Apart from the calculator, also awful. no useful info at all.
So, what would you think of, say, a car manufacturer having a failiure rate like this? Seems like the old stuff was OK, I know surveyors who have calculators that must be 30 years old in useable condition.
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