# God, Pat Robertson and GWB **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286 "2004-10-20T21:52:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/1 "2004-10-20T21:52:45Z")
This is very odd but I have a semi-decent thing to say about Pat Robertson in that he apparently expressed misgivings about the Iraq war to Bush and warned him about casualties. > [@](#): > > And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, ‘Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.’ " > > Robertson said the president then told him, “Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” > > The White House had no comment on Robertson’s remarks. > > Robertson, the televangelist who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 1988, said he wishes Bush would admit to mistakes made. > > “I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy,” Robertson said. “I warned him about casualties.” > > More than 1,100 U.S. troops have died in Iraq and another 8,000 troops have been wounded in the ongoing campaign, with the casualty toll significantly increasing in the last six months as the insurgency there has deepened. OK, never mind Robertson’s goofy schtick about the Lord speaking to him. That’s nothing new for Pat and at least in this case the Lord told him something that turned out to be true. I also give credit to Robertson for having a conscience about the Iraq invasion. But as to Shrub…man…what a colossal asshole. “We aren’t going to have any casualties?” That’s all he had to say? Is that how this guy operates? Just declare that something is so and that makes it so? So let it be blathered, so let it be done? What am I talking about? Of COURSE that’s how he operates. There is no such thing as reality. There is only the fantasy world of GWB. I wonder if anyone’s told him about all those casualties or if they all just humor his delusions. Is it wrong for an agnostic to pray for someone to lose an election? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/2 "2004-10-20T21:53:51Z")
[Forgot the link](http://cnn.allpolitics.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=CNN.com+-+Robertson%3A+I%A0warned+Bush+on+Iraq+casualties+-+Oct+19%2C+2004&expire=-1&urlID=12006066&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2004%2FALLPOLITICS%2F10%2F19%2Frobertson.bush.iraq%2Findex.html&partnerID=2001). ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/3 "2004-10-20T21:56:59Z")
Ya’ wanna know what is really fucked up? A lot of people will insist that Robertson is being decieved, as surely God could not give contradictory messages to these two strong mean of God. I had a woman at work tell me she is voting for Bush because he is leading the nation according to the Will of God. These people cannot be swayed, cannot be convinced, cannot be steared away from their blind faith allegence to a man just because he professes to speak with Jesus. God Help Us All! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/4 "2004-10-20T22:04:47Z")
Nah, not deceived. A false prophet. After all, the invasion wasn’t a messy disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/5 "2004-10-20T22:29:47Z")
The number of 8,000 wounded seems a little low. And it doesn’t include the over 10,000 injured, sometimes critically, in accidents. The last I heard, the Pentagon does not even list _their_ names on their website despite the fact that they were injured in service to their country. Bush just puts his hands over his ears and makes loud, weird noises and says, “I can’t HEAR you!” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/6 "2004-10-20T22:38:38Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Bush just puts his hands over his ears and makes loud, weird noises and says, “I can’t HEAR you!” Apparently Jesus talks so loud that he drowns out things like facts. ---
**Author:** ![MrTuffPaws](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MrTuffPaws](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrTuffPaws)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/7 "2004-10-20T22:52:50Z")
:d ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/8 "2004-10-21T00:00:48Z")
Should note that the White House is now calling Pat Robertson a liar. [http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/19/robertson.bush.iraq/index.html) They include a pretty weird picture of Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/9 "2004-10-21T00:06:51Z")
It isn’t really a denial by Bush, it’s Bush whore and professional liar, Karen Hughs saying that she’s “certain” he never would have said that. What kind of chickenshit, qualified, non-denial is that? I believe Robertson. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/10 "2004-10-21T00:08:21Z")
This is priceless: > [@](#): > > Senior Bush campaign adviser Karen Hughes, a longtime confidant of the president, said she was “certain” Bush would not have said anything like that to Robertson. > > “Perhaps he misunderstood, but I’ve never heard the president say any such thing,” Hughes said on CNN’s “Inside Politics.” Hughes, of course, is the same woman who denied to Tucker Carlson’s face that she had ever heard Bush swear, when both her and Tucker had heard him swearing at the same time. She transcends lying. Now she’s denying that Bush ever said something on the basis of that she’s never heard him say anything like that. Apparently, she is in his prescence at all times… but just isn’t allowed to hear anything. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/11 "2004-10-21T00:29:07Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > They include a pretty weird picture of Bush. It appears that his head is trying to escape his body, a la _John Carpenter’s The Thing._ > [@](#): > > “I mean, the Lord told me it was going to be A, a disaster, and B, messy,” Robertson said. Dennis Kucinich is God? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/12 "2004-10-21T00:35:17Z")
C’mon, guys, what do you expect? This is, indeed, the very DEFINITION of political dynamite. You’ve got a huge leader of the christian right effectively doing that ‘more in sorrow than in anger’ thing about how he tried to advise the President but he didn’t listen. This ain’t quite up there with live boy/dead girl but you can see it from there. 1. Bush can ignore it. Kerry pounds on this. 2. Bush can admit it. He looks overconfident and callous of soldiers lives. 3. Bush can deny saying it. He ends up appearing to call Robertson a liar two weeks before the election. So the best thing is a non-denial denial by an underling. That’s what they’re there for, after all. But if I was Kerry I’d milk this for every ‘soften the Christian right’ moment I could get. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/13 "2004-10-21T00:45:11Z")
True, dat. The only way this could really play worse for Bush is if he got caught in bed with Ralph Reed (America’s only fundamentalist Christian Howdy-Doody impersonator…) ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/14 "2004-10-21T00:48:46Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I believe Robertson. Can I make this my sig? With attribution? But leaving out context, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/15 "2004-10-21T00:59:09Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Can I make this my sig? With attribution? But leaving out context, of course. Be my guest. I’m kind of amazed to be taking Reverend Robertson’s side in something but “the enemy of my enemy…” and all that. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/16 "2004-10-21T01:05:03Z")
So Robertson believes Bush is blessed by God? Not surprising, considering the source, but it’s disturbing how many people believe the same thing, per **MeanJoe’s** post. Apparently, Bush and Co. receive direct communications from above. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/17 "2004-10-21T02:12:51Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > I had a woman at work tell me she is voting for Bush because he is leading the nation according to the Will of God. Then God wants America to go down the tubes? Hey, maybe He does, and having Bush as president would accomplish that, hmm. Dear God, if you let Bush lose, we will all repent. Promise. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Marsie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Marsie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marsie)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/18 "2004-10-21T02:22:03Z")
Pat Robertson is the biggest ass-hole, holy-roller that ever walked the face of the earth. He can bite me…HARD! ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/19 "2004-10-21T02:27:54Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > But as to Shrub…man…what a colossal asshole. “We aren’t going to have any casualties?” That’s all he had to say? Is that how this guy operates? Just declare that something is so and that makes it so? So let it be blathered, so let it be done? I hear he had a “gut feeling” that everything would turn out peachy in Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286/20 "2004-10-21T02:29:14Z")
I have my doubts about this. I don’t think even Bush is that stupid to think there wouldn’t be any casualties. Hasn’t he been saying from the beginning that there would be anyway? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/god-pat-robertson-and-gwb/270286.md?page=2)