# Goddammit, Johnny Hart (B. C. Cartoonist)! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371 "2004-07-03T14:11:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/21 "2004-07-04T01:39:35Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > At least Gary Larson knew when to hang it up. Always leave them wanting more. ---
**Author:** ![Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e56c9b/32.png) [@Mirror\_Image\_egamI\_rorriM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mirror_Image_egamI_rorriM)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/22 "2004-07-04T01:58:52Z")
There was a B.C. a while back that I’m surprised didn’t get a pit thread about it. It was one of those “You Know” ones, and it said “You know you picked the wrong day to dress in drag for Halloween the day your boss comes out of the closet” or something similar. What crap. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/23 "2004-07-04T20:37:52Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > > [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > > > What ever happened to Frank Cho’s Liberty Meadows? > > It can be found at the same site as B.C. [http://comics.com/creators/liberty/index.html](http://comics.com/creators/liberty/index.html) Those are from about 5 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/24 "2004-07-04T21:25:40Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Those are from about 5 years ago. Like I said before, the NEW stuff is in the ongoing comic book. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/25 "2004-07-05T01:54:51Z")
> [@Lynn Bodoni](#): > > I would hate to see the rotting corpse of Calvin and Hobbes in the newspaper every day I dunno–if they were staggering around moaning, “Brrrraaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnssssssss!” that’d be pretty cool. > [@mhendo](#): > > Well, while i think the cartoon is stupid, and it also displays an obviously-religious agenda, i don’t think that he was suggesting that the ACLU is anti-Christian. I agree, but it’s saying something even more offensive. It’s not saying the ACLU is anti-god; it’s saying that God is anti-ACLU. Were I a Christian, it’d **really** piss me off to hear Hart speaking so obnoxiously on God’s behalf. > [@Ludovic](#): > > Haw haw haw! Hee hee hee! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/26 "2004-07-05T03:16:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Haw haw haw! > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Hee hee hee! Okay, now you’re _both_ getting “eternity sans heaven” for getting [“The Laughing Gnome”](http://www.teenagewildlife.com/Albums/I/TLG.html) stuck in my head! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/27 "2004-07-05T03:42:13Z")
> [@](#): > > I can only recommend three: The Boondocks, Non Sequitor, and Doonesbury out of momentum. The rest of them might be good for a chuckle, but are otherwise forgettable. Not true. [Pearls Before Swine](http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/) is unexpectedly and consistently hilarious. And Foxtrot rocks as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/28 "2004-07-05T03:48:38Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > The very fact that religious people are up in arms at the suggestion of removing Under God just goes to show how religiously significant the phrase is, and thus how unconstitutional it is to promote in public schools. And today’s B.C. strip is harping on that subject. Yep, nothing like promoting God on the Fourth of July. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/29 "2004-07-05T03:54:25Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > > [@rjung](#): > > > > I can only recommend three: The Boondocks, Non Sequitor, and Doonesbury out of momentum. The rest of them might be good for a chuckle, but are otherwise forgettable. > > Not true. [Pearls Before Swine](http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/) is unexpectedly and consistently hilarious. And Foxtrot rocks as well. From the choices, it appears **rjung** prefers biting social commentary with his comics. I’m with you; I read them for the chuckles. Biting social commentary is just a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![pesch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pesch/32/4925_2.png) [@pesch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pesch)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/30 "2004-07-05T04:07:26Z")
for a cartoonist who way past his sell-by date, it’s amusing to see how much of a shitstorm Hart can kick up. You’d think he’d be dismissed by now as a crank. ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/31 "2004-07-05T05:24:25Z")
I’m rather partial to Get Fuzzy. ---
**Author:** ![Earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/90db22/32.png) [@Earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthling)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/32 "2004-07-05T05:26:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > As Tom DeLay (R, Undead) once said: “Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a thousand schools of thought contend.” Really? He said that? Did he rip if off from [Mao](http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/maotsetun115705.html) [Tse](http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/dhp.html)-[Tung](http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Hundred%20Flowers%20Campaign)? That’d be pretty surreal. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/33 "2004-07-05T12:43:45Z")
> [@Earthling](#): > > Really? He said that? Did he rip if off from [Mao](http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/maotsetun115705.html) [Tse](http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/dhp.html)-[Tung](http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Hundred%20Flowers%20Campaign)? That’d be pretty surreal. You’re thinking of the other Tom Delay,the one that doesn’t represent the Undead, I think ;). ( **elucidator’s** got a fine wit on him, but you might not take everything he says at face value). Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Psycho\_Pirate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Psycho\_Pirate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psycho_Pirate)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/34 "2004-07-05T13:33:43Z")
I understand that the ACLU if for free speech but it’s frustratiing from a Christian point of view (at least this Christian’s point of view). They oppose the 10 Commandments in a courtroom, but they support no age restrictions on viewing internet pornography. They seem anti-“traditional morals” in this stance. Their view of establishing religion by placing “under God” in the pledge is an interesting take on the matter, but one that most (including myself) disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![williamweigand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b3f665/32.png) [@williamweigand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/williamweigand)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/35 "2004-07-05T13:47:12Z")
> [@Hauky](#): > > While we’re on the subject of BC, can anybody explain [this one](http://comics.com/creators/bc/archive/bc-20040630.html)? I wasn’t aware that these cavemen lived in the _future_. I mean… what? Why? How? _What?_ Thanks , **Hauky** - You more succinctly expressed my thoughts on this strip.(An OP I tried to start on this frustratingly bizarre strip took so long to type that I was timed-out before I could submit.) So… Can anyone explain this paradoxical strip? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/36 "2004-07-05T14:00:21Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > I understand that the ACLU if for free speech but it’s frustratiing from a Christian point of view (at least this Christian’s point of view). They oppose the 10 Commandments in a courtroom, but they support no age restrictions on viewing internet pornography. Well, if you’re talking about the recent Supreme Court case regarding the Child Online Protection Act, the ACLU’s position had nothing to do with age. They were arguing against a blanket provision that would have provided harsh penalties for publishing a whole slew of information that might be valuable and useful for adults, but questionable for minors. As the [ACLU’s own website](http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=16025&c=252) states, > [@](#): > > The speech that was criminalized under the law included sexual advice and education, web-based chat rooms and discussion boards involving sexual topics, and websites for bookstores, art galleries and the news media. Neither the Supreme Court or the ACLU took the position that children should be allowed to watch internet pornography. They simply argued that blanket prohibitions on certain types of speech were not the right way to go about preventing kids watching porn. > [@](#): > > In ruling against the law today, the Court noted that there are a number of less restrictive methods that are “likely more effective” than the law in protecting minors without affecting adults. > > Internet filters “impose selective restrictions on speech at the receiving end, not universal restrictions at the source,” Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his majority opinion. “Above all,” he wrote, “promoting the use of filters does not condemn as criminal any category of speech, and so the potential chilling effect is eliminated, or at least much diminished.” The way that you and some other opponents of the ACLU’s positions talk, you’d think the organization was hanging out on corners selling porn. > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > They seem anti-“traditional morals” in this stance. Perhaps that’s because some of what you call “traditional morals” tend to push against civil liberties and, if enacted in law, also violate the US Constitution. > [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > Their view of establishing religion by placing “under God” in the pledge is an interesting take on the matter, but one that most (including myself) disagree with. The fact that you (and a majority) disagree doesn’t necessarily make you right. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/37 "2004-07-05T15:52:01Z")
I actually thought of Johnny Hart and B.C. this morning at the deli, when I saw a sticker above the cash register reading, “GOD BLESS AMERICA–UNITED WE STAND.” The irony would no doubt be lost on him and his type. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/38 "2004-07-05T18:16:56Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > I understand that the ACLU if for free speech but it’s frustratiing from a Christian point of view (at least this Christian’s point of view). They oppose the 10 Commandments in a courtroom, but they support no age restrictions on viewing internet pornography. Please show where the ACLU has opposed age restrictions for pornography access. The law in question would have banned certain types of porn completely, for adults and children. That is what the ACLU opposes. Adults have a right to view this material, if they so wish. > [@](#): > > Their view of establishing religion by placing “under God” in the pledge is an interesting take on the matter, but one that most (including myself) disagree with. You don’t see that putting “under God” in there prevents any non-theist from validly pledging that Pledge? How is that not specifically saying “atheists can’t be ‘real’ Americans”? Because that’s what it was meant to say. It’s evil. It’s divisive. It’s modern American Christianity, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/39 "2004-07-05T18:35:57Z")
B.C and Wizard of ID were never meant to portray historical living and social conditions in the eras they take place. Each is just a setting to portray the same jokes that every other comic of its type portrays. All historical setting comics are anachronistic. They write jokes that their viewers will understand, they don’t try to portray historical accuracy. B.C. has always had religious undertones that I can remember (Born in 1964) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2004, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371/40 "2004-07-05T18:53:14Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > All in all it is remarkable how few of today’s comic strips are worth reading. When was the last time anyone ever clipped a BC for the fridge door? > > What ever happened to Frank Cho’s Liberty Meadows? Funny with a pretty girl. Remember The World of Lilly Wong in the Hong Kong papers? The Chinese closed that one down. Liberty Meadows is at [http://www.creators.com/comics\_show.cfm?comicname=lib](http://www.creators.com/comics_show.cfm?comicname=lib) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-johnny-hart-b-c-cartoonist/253371.md?page=3)