# Goddammit, Leave The Liver Alone!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 14, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437 "2010-05-14T15:47:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/21 "2010-05-14T23:48:28Z")
> [@ghardester](#): > > I don’t eat guts, unless they run out of all the other parts of the animal. That’s good, then try foie gras, since it isn’t guts. Guts are intestines. Foie Gras is a gloriously fattened liver. I wouldn’t eat guts either except under certain trustworthy circumstances (a couple local chefs around here do great things with tripe). ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/22 "2010-05-14T23:50:22Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Very droll. > > But you realize, i assume, that they are not protesting against the manner of the slaughter itself. Hell, many of the protesters would probably argue that the actual killing is one of the least inhumane parts of the whole process. When the day comes that I give a flaming fuck about these protesters, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Ronnie Van Zant, despite having been dead for decades, will sing a _Hound Dog/Purple Haze/Light My Fire/Free Bird_ medley at the Republican National Convention. And butterflies will fly out of my ass. PLUS, Cecil Adams will reveal that **Der Trihs** and **Kanicbird** are both sock accounts he started when he was drunk. I won’t mention the part about Starbuck and Willow making a naked Oak sammich, because that could really happen some day. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/23 "2010-05-14T23:53:22Z")
“Liver-Eating Johnson, found his way into the mountains. Bettin’ of forgeting all the troubles he once knew…” > **[Jeremiah Johnson](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=562435)** > > Splitting off from this thread. I’ve just watched Jeremiah Johnson again. I think the first time I saw it was in the late-'70s. I really liked it at the time. The fishing, skinning the bear, poor Gue up to his neck in trouble… But upon watching... ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/24 "2010-05-14T23:56:23Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > When the day comes that I give a flaming fuck about these protesters… Never said you should give a flaming fuck about them. But if you’re going to criticize their position, it might be best not to lie about what that position actually is, because it just makes you look like a jackass. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/25 "2010-05-14T23:59:52Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > When the day comes that I give a flaming fuck about these protesters, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Ronnie Van Zant, despite having been dead for decades, will sing a _Hound Dog/Purple Haze/Light My Fire/Free Bird_ medley at the Republican National Convention. And butterflies will fly out of my ass. PLUS, Cecil Adams will reveal that **Der Trihs** and **Kanicbird** are both sock accounts he started when he was drunk. > > I won’t mention the part about Starbuck and Willow making a naked Oak sammich, because that could really happen some day. 😃 I’m so going to that concert, and if I win the lottery before then, there’ll be an orgy of foie gras for everyone (even the dead guys!) like you’ve never seen. Hell, I’ll probably slather it all over my body in an attempt to get laid. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/26 "2010-05-14T23:59:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Never said you should give a flaming fuck about them. But if you’re going to criticize their position, it might be best not to lie about what that position actually is, because it just makes you look like a jackass. Only to pedantic asswipes like you. Now, in accord with the defanged pit rules, kindly go have a conjugal experience with yourself. It’s Friday, and I’d rather drink than swap insults. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/27 "2010-05-15T00:01:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Only to pedantic asswipes like you. Now, in accord with the defanged pit rules, kindly go have a conjugal experience with yourself. It’s Friday, and I’d rather drink than swap insults. I want to try to make foie gras milkshakes. Its an idea I’ve been bandying about. I suspect they won’t be able to be sucked through a straw. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/28 "2010-05-15T00:05:45Z")
So, wait a minute … why are you called **FoieGrasIsEvil** then? I always assumed … silly me … that it meant you thought that foie gras was … you know … um … evil … . 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/29 "2010-05-15T00:09:38Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I want to try to make foie gras milkshakes. Its an idea I’ve been bandying about. I suspect they won’t be able to be sucked through a straw. Promise ya I won’t even try. The _Book of Oak_ specifies that Milkshakes are Holy, and shall always be chocolate. I like ya and all, but I’m not going to blaspheme against my own recently invented pseaudo-religious creed or anything. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/30 "2010-05-15T00:13:18Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > So, wait a minute … why are you called **FoieGrasIsEvil** then? > > I always assumed … silly me … that it meant you thought that foie gras was … you know … um … evil … . 😕 Its just a stupid play on words. I’m an outspoken advocate of the stuff. The only reason its “evil” is because its so goddamn addictive, good and so freaking expensive that I cannot afford to eat it at all anymore now that I am out of the fine dining arena. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Promise ya I won’t even try. The _Book of Oak_ specifies that Milkshakes are Holy, and shall always be chocolate. I like ya and all, but I’m not going to blaspheme against my own recently invented pseaudo-religious creed or anything. I actually only thought about pureeing foie as a means of richening the milkshake…of course it’ll still be chocolate! There’s already foie gras ice cream in the haute cuisine restaurant’s pastry chef arsenal…I want to drink the stuff! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/31 "2010-05-15T00:20:07Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I actually only thought about pureeing foie as a means of richening the milkshake…of course it’ll still be chocolate! There’s already foie gras ice cream in the haute cuisine restaurant’s pastry chef arsenal…I want to drink the stuff! More power to ya. You can still have mine. Strongly suspect if I used the phrase “haute cuisine” at any of my usual eateries, the waitress would think I was teasing her again. Then she’d bring me my usual, and read her horoscope over my shoulder while I eat and read the paper. Sometimes, I think maybe I live in a Tennessee Williams play. That probably isn’t good. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/32 "2010-05-15T00:59:34Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Yes, and the counter argument is that they feel no pain and are happy to overeat. Kinda like Americans at the trough of McDonalds I suppose. Does anyone without a vested interest support that counter argument? > [@](#): > > Even if the production of foie gras can be reasonably shown to be cruel, I don’t care. Its just a bird raised for slaughter. Chickens fare far worse and I like to eat them, too. So the argument about whether it’s humane is moot for you - why even bring it up to disagree with it? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/33 "2010-05-15T03:38:40Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Does anyone without a vested interest support that counter argument? > So the argument about whether it’s humane is moot for you - why even bring it up to disagree with it? Because I agree that it is humane…and when and if someone tries to argue that it isn’t, rather than try to convince their crazy asses, I’ll just agree that it isn’t even if I don’t mean it. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/34 "2010-05-15T03:43:31Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Next, they’ll come for our coffee. No, it’s first they came for the juice… ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/35 "2010-05-15T04:25:18Z")
To omit the liver is inherently not comprehensive. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/36 "2010-05-15T08:01:04Z")
I’ve had fois gras at Chez Panisse. Suffice to say two bites was enough to make my head spin. The other times I’ve had it, it was not as good. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/37 "2010-05-15T09:42:53Z")
If you feed a cat liver, it will never shit in the same place twice. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/38 "2010-05-15T16:18:15Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > If you feed a cat liver, it will never shit in the same place twice. But chocolate covered rasins are a whole 'nother story. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/39 "2010-05-15T18:31:38Z")
Some foods I just crave: eggs. nuts. fruits. shrimp ☹ Never had foie gras. **FoieGrasIsEvil** , if I have some kind of cherry high experience with foie gras, will it spoil my taste for my current, much cheaper treats? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437/40 "2010-05-15T19:02:46Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Some foods I just crave: eggs. nuts. fruits. shrimp ☹ > > Never had foie gras. **FoieGrasIsEvil** , if I have some kind of cherry high experience with foie gras, will it spoil my taste for my current, much cheaper treats? Nah. Its not a gateway drug or anything. It won’t reset your taste mechanism permanently. There’s a lot of different ways to make it but my favorite is this one: [http://forkyou.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/foie-gras-dish1.jpg](http://forkyou.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/foie-gras-dish1.jpg) That’s seasoned, seared foie gras. It looks like in that picture its being served with some kind of grape compote or something. My experience with this method is that its best served with some kind of a fruit with decent acidity, as it provides an excellent acid cut to the uber-richness of the foie. This method usually also has some kind of bread (typically brioche) served underneath it to catch all the drippings and sauce. To me, this way is the ultimate: its salty, sweet, rich, clean and texturally orgasmic. Another way to try is called _torchon_. Its essentially a rolled, salt-cured foie “log” that’s been wrapped in saran wrap after curing and refrigerated. Its usually blended with dried fruit (apricot works great!) before its rolled (sensing a trend? fruit+foie=heaven), and then its sliced and lain atop toasts, or arranged on a plate on its own. Usually its then drizzled with some kind of a reduction (like one made from port wine) and eaten by hand as an hors d’ ouvres. Here’s what a torchon looks like: [![](https://joshhouse.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/torchon10.jpg) ](https://joshhouse.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/torchon10.jpg) [http://d1.biggestmenu.com/00/00/db/6fe5467691662ddd\_m.jpg](http://d1.biggestmenu.com/00/00/db/6fe5467691662ddd_m.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-leave-the-liver-alone/539437.md?page=3)