# Goddammit (Warhammer 40K) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 9, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311 "2012-02-09T14:57:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/61 "2012-02-15T17:25:54Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > One for you, one for your opponent maybe ? I’m told I can sell it for $20 or so, so maybe I’ll do that. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/62 "2012-02-16T17:30:38Z")
So can someone explain the relationship of the Daemonhunters faction to that of the Grey Knights faction? Is the new Grey Knights codex a separate beast, or is it intended to be the updated representation of Daemonhunters going forward? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/63 "2012-02-16T23:02:34Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > So can someone explain the relationship of the Daemonhunters faction to that of the Grey Knights faction? Is the new Grey Knights codex a separate beast, or is it intended to be the updated representation of Daemonhunters going forward? It took about an hour with a shop owner to figure this one out, so here goes: The old _Daemonhunters_ were mostly the actual grey knights army plus a few dash of inquisition stuff. Meanwhile most actualy inquisition stuff was over in the _Witchhunters_ book with the sisters of battle army and characters. Naturally, GW wants to confuse everything as much as possible, so now the Grey Knights book includes both grey knights armies and most Inquisition stuff _except_ for the Sisters of Battle, but including inquisition characters who had nothing to do with the grey knights before. You can easily have Grey Knights, Dreadnaughts, DreadKnights, Inquisitors, priests, and assassins all on the field from one army. ---
**Author:** ![Animastryfe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8797f3/32.png) [@Animastryfe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Animastryfe)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/64 "2012-02-16T23:16:23Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > is it intended to be the updated representation of Daemonhunters going forward? It is this. The Daemonhunters codex has been updated and renamed the Grey Knights codex. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/65 "2012-02-17T13:38:16Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Dammit. UPS handed it off to the Postal Service for the last leg of the delivery - so although it was two miles from my house yesterday morning, it won’t get there until today. That’s odd, though - I see a UPS truck near my house fairly frequently. I wonder why the hand-off? Just remember, you have to post pics of your painted minis. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/66 "2012-02-17T13:39:47Z")
Remember - [THIN YOUR FUCKING PAINTS](http://1d4chan.org/wiki/THIN_YOUR_PAINTS) ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/67 "2012-02-17T14:11:00Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > It took about an hour with a shop owner to figure this one out, so here goes: > > The old _Daemonhunters_ were mostly the actual grey knights army plus a few dash of inquisition stuff. Meanwhile most actualy inquisition stuff was over in the _Witchhunters_ book with the sisters of battle army and characters. > > Naturally, GW wants to confuse everything as much as possible, so now the Grey Knights book includes both grey knights armies and most Inquisition stuff _except_ for the Sisters of Battle, but including inquisition characters who had nothing to do with the grey knights before. You can easily have Grey Knights, Dreadnaughts, DreadKnights, Inquisitors, priests, and assassins all on the field from one army. Okay, so the Witchhunters is the mixed-force army I was thinking of. I can’t imagine how I could’ve confused the two.. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/68 "2012-02-17T14:14:05Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Just remember, you have to post pics of your painted minis. I really need to set up a little photography box for doing that. That goes on the to-do list.. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/69 "2012-02-17T14:20:43Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > Remember - [THIN YOUR FUCKING PAINTS](http://1d4chan.org/wiki/THIN_YOUR_PAINTS) Wow, even when I first started painting years ago, I was doing better than those horrorshows. Yikes. And no, I don’t usually thin my paints. 😉 Not unless I want to do some washing or layering.. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/70 "2012-02-17T22:41:46Z")
Haha, yeah. The actual “thin your paints” thing is a bit of a meme on /tg/ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/71 "2012-02-17T23:00:19Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Okay, so the Witchhunters is the mixed-force army I was thinking of. I can’t imagine how I could’ve confused the two.. 😉 The only reason for this I can imagine is that they were under pressure to put something out, but too lazy to get off their asses (no, theyre British, so it’s arses) and write an Inquisition book. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/72 "2012-02-17T23:43:38Z")
[My broodlord is not pleased.](http://mmg.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/finnagain/Warhammer/DSCN0706.jpg.html?pbauth=1_uLEBonVPfaLdh1h3YMYz2ZcO3Ga2KxVOuMOGwJRZTTqGUMJortr84kdRocjf6B%2FrYKPG2zxYjC8MAJmZyQtZ5zKdOE%2FKot%2FpoKpICwojP%2BqS1B66M5KbqS82X8unbSAAU5WTwwl%2FY%2FNC7QETwYb3iMuUuAWwzLabDP1hoUS%2BRzA%3D) [Stumpy the Carnifex is pretty happy that his devourers weren’t nerfed too much though](http://mmg.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/finnagain/Warhammer/DSCN0701.jpg.html?o=13&pbauth=1_uLEBonVPfaLdh1h3YMYz2ZcO3Ga2KxVOuMOGwJRZTTqGUMJortr84kdRocjf6B%2FrYKPG2zxYjC8MAJmZyQtZ5zKdOE%2FKot%2FpoKpICwojP%2BqS1B66M5KbqS82X8unbSAAU5WTwwl%2FY%2FNC7QETwYb3iMuUuAWwzLabDP1hoUS%2BRzA%3D&pbauth=1_uLEBonVPfaLdh1h3YMYz2ZcO3Ga2KxVOuMOGwJRZTTqGUMJortr84kdRocjf6B%2FrYKPG2zxYjC8MAJmZyQtZ5zKdOE%2FKot%2FpoKpICwojP%2BqS1B66M5KbqS82X8unbSAAU5WTwwl%2FY%2FNC7QETwYb3iMuUuAWwzLabDP1hoUS%2BRzA%3D) ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/73 "2012-02-20T20:18:08Z")
Before delving into the codexes, I have been reading the rulebook. Seems pretty straightforward so far, though considering that the game uses ‘actual’ line of sight, I bet that leads to some argument about visibility when one can’t get one’s head behind the miniature to see. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/74 "2012-02-20T21:33:37Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I bet that leads to some argument about visibility when one can’t get one’s head behind the miniature to see. You have _no_ idea 😛 ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/75 "2012-02-21T16:24:25Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You have _no_ idea 😛 Heheh. I’m also seeing a lot of dice rolling for one turn.. hell, one unit. Roll to hit, to wound, damage saves.. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/76 "2012-02-21T17:34:15Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Heheh. I’m also seeing a lot of dice rolling for one turn.. hell, one unit. Roll to hit, to wound, damage saves.. That’s… manageable. Basically you go “this squad shoots at that squad”, roll a dice bucket for your to-hits, another for the wounds, and a last one for the saves. If you kill dudes, you remove the closest ones/the ones with the least cover first. Unless you’re playing against a tremendous asshole who insists on rolling individually for each model. Then it become scrotum-bitingly annoying, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/77 "2012-02-21T22:17:11Z")
Mmm. Dice. Eversor Assassin. BRING ME THE DICE BUCKET hehe. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/78 "2012-02-21T22:35:04Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > That’s… manageable. Basically you go “this squad shoots at that squad”, roll a dice bucket for your to-hits, another for the wounds, and a last one for the saves. It’s a little bit easier. Roll your dice to for hit rolls, then remove all those dice that don’t hit. Roll all the remaining dice for wound rolls, remove all that don’t wound. Roll for saves from the remaining pile. Then move on to the next unit. And hope you don’t play shooty 'nids or IG. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/79 "2012-02-22T00:24:30Z")
Uh-oh Guys, I picked up the Dark Eldar Codex out of sheer morbid curiosity, and now I think I mighjt be trying to design an army. I even came up with some fluff! I need help… please! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2012, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/80 "2012-02-22T05:41:33Z")
Yeah… DE are a devastating force, but very, very, very finicky. I’d wait to learn the basic rules first and play, even if it’s only with a 500 point SMurf or IG army, and then maybe try a small DE force. They’re awesome, but definitely ‘advanced level’ fuckers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=5)