# Goddammit (Warhammer 40K) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 9, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311 "2012-02-09T14:57:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/101 "2012-03-02T17:58:21Z")
> [@Rocketeer](#): > > No. Krazy Glue is a superglue. > > For plastic models, if gluing before painting, it’s best to use either liquid cement or old-fashioned tube glue. > > If gluing after painting, I tend to use either one of the more viscous superglues or five-minute epoxy, with a preference for epoxy because you get a bit more working time to get things properly adjusted, and because sometimes superglues leave a white filmy deposit on nearby glossy or transparent surfaces. What are you calling “old fashioned tube glue?” And is there a brand of liquid cement you prefer? And while we’re talking minis, I should ask the folks here - I’ve been dissatisfied with my sealers lately. The Liquitex gloss works great - two coats, nice finish. But then when I want to do a layer of matte to take off the shine, I run into a problem - the liquitex thin matte sealer doesn’t actually seem to take out the shine. If I use liquitex medium viscosity, it takes out the shine perfectly! but sometimes the thickness can obscure detail if not very carefully brushed. So does anyone here have a recommendation for a brush-on matte sealer? ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/102 "2012-03-04T05:10:04Z")
By old-fashioned tube glue, I mean the type that comes in a little tube like a toothpaste tube, the type the Fifties Dad uses while helping his son build a Messerschmidt for a Cub Scout project. 😉[Here, this is the stuff.](http://www.testors.com/product/136635/3512A/_/Cement_For_Plastics_78oz_Carded) As far as liquid cements go, I’ve used Plastruct’s Plastic Weld, Tenax 7R, and Testors Liquid cement. For me, the [Testors](http://www.testors.com/product/0/3502X/_/Liquid_Cement_for_Plastic) is the most satisfactory. I’ve also used [this stuff](http://www.testors.com/product/0/8872C/_/Liquid_Cement_For_Plastic), which is about halfway between the two other types; more viscous than the liquid, more free-flowing than the tube. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/103 "2012-03-04T22:31:03Z")
I think I’ll mix - liquid cement for the stuff that should reasonably never have to come apart again, and krazy glue for the things that I may want to snap off and replace, theoretically. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/104 "2012-03-05T03:31:29Z")
Just remember that you are obligated to glue your finger to the mini at least once. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/105 "2012-03-08T00:30:35Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > [T]he game uses ‘actual’ line of sight, I bet that leads to some argument about visibility when one can’t get one’s head behind the miniature to see. Low tech - A tape measure. You should have one to check ranges anyway. Extend it a bit and hold it above your model, within your arc of fire, see if it reaches theirs without going through terrain. If so, then you’ve got LoS. Pros: Easy, Cheap, doubles as a range finder. Cons: Knocking shit over. Medium tech - Laser pointer. Hold it behind the model, light up the shoulder/head of the model and the target. If you can’t get behind your model, hand it to the other player and see if they can establish LoS the other direction. Pros: Easy, fairly cheap, highly accurate, cool. Cons: Still have to measure for shooting range, need clearance behind at least one model. High tech - Laser pointer with a length of wide fiber optic cable on the tip. For those times you can’t get a laser pointer behind either model. You can use a pair of [offset needlenose pliers](http://www.thetoolnetwork.com/offxset_needlenose_pliers.html) to bend the fiber optic cable into almost any space. Pros: Highly accurate, as near as possible to a universal solution for the problem. Cons: Difficult, still have to measure, a bit harder to get/make, knocking shit over, over-geeking the problem. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/106 "2012-03-08T14:04:45Z")
I just so happen to have a laser pointer. Excellent. I’ve been clipping, trimming and filing plastic. I hope the dust isn’t toxic. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/107 "2012-03-08T14:21:56Z")
You never, ever, ever want to inhale any sort of particulate matter. Get a cheap particulate mask. Plastic, AFAIK, isn’t all that bad for you, but if you’re ever working with resin I’m fairly sure it can be carcinogenic. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/108 "2012-03-08T14:40:41Z")
Oh, and one very important piece of advice about buying Finecast models: do not buy Finecast models. Either that or buy only one small, relatively cheap Finecast model to learn for yourself why I say this. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/109 "2012-03-08T17:05:13Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You never, ever, ever want to inhale any sort of particulate matter. Get a cheap particulate mask. Plastic, AFAIK, isn’t all that bad for you, but if you’re ever working with resin I’m fairly sure it can be carcinogenic. I’m joking, mostly. I use a catch tray for the plastic dust, and most of it seems to stick to the file and gum it up anyway, until I knock it loose. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/110 "2012-03-08T17:06:19Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Oh, and one very important piece of advice about buying Finecast models: do not buy Finecast models. Either that or buy only one small, relatively cheap Finecast model to learn for yourself why I say this. I’ve heard the horrors. Unfortunately, one of the hero-types I want may only be available in Finecast these days, so.. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/111 "2012-03-08T17:07:33Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I’ve heard the horrors. Unfortunately, one of the hero-types I want may only be available in Finecast these days, so.. What hero-type? The Ork warboss? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/112 "2012-03-08T17:16:53Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > What hero-type? The Ork warboss? Commander Dante of the Blood Angels. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/113 "2012-03-08T17:29:18Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Commander Dante of the Blood Angels. You could always make your own using the plastics - the Sanguinary Guard box looks like it would have pretty much everything you need. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/114 "2012-03-08T19:01:13Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > You could always make your own using the plastics - the Sanguinary Guard box looks like it would have pretty much everything you need. I don’t know if I’m ready to graduate to plastic frankesteinian surgery yet. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/115 "2012-03-08T23:38:25Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I don’t know if I’m ready to graduate to plastic frankesteinian surgery yet. Better that than fixing a Finecast model. It’s mainly down to picking the right components - the single headed power axe, the melta pistol, the death mask/halo head and the aquila breastplate for starters. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/116 "2012-03-09T14:18:50Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > And while we’re talking minis, I should ask the folks here - I’ve been dissatisfied with my sealers lately. The Liquitex gloss works great - two coats, nice finish. But then when I want to do a layer of matte to take off the shine, I run into a problem - the liquitex thin matte sealer doesn’t actually seem to take out the shine. If I use liquitex medium viscosity, it takes out the shine perfectly! but sometimes the thickness can obscure detail if not very carefully brushed. > > So does anyone here have a recommendation for a brush-on matte sealer? I want to throw this out there again, in case people missed it the first time. And maybe I can pick up a metal Dante at a hobby store or on ebay.. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2012, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/117 "2012-03-12T03:47:35Z")
Heck, I always just spray stuff with Testors Dullcoat. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/118 "2012-03-12T14:47:02Z")
> [@Rocketeer](#): > > Heck, I always just spray stuff with Testors Dullcoat. But you have to shake it VERY well. Otherwise, you can end up with a semi-gloss finish. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/119 "2012-03-12T17:38:18Z")
I won’t use sprays anymore. Too much of a pain in the ass. Is there a brush-on Dullcoat? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/120 "2012-03-19T14:41:21Z")
So, a status update. I actually got to play a session of Warhammer last week - well, two full turns of one, anyway. The guy from my D&D group who prodded me to start playing loaned me 1500 points of Space Marines to set up against his preferred 1500 points of Orks. In three hours, we got through two turns each - and I deployed first, but he successfully seized the initiative to play first, so right away, I was at a disadvantage. And after two turns, it was clear he would have won the full match - but it did help me solidify some concepts. And I’m going to have to come up with some anti-Ork tactics. I think some Baal Predators with flamestorm cannons and sponson-mounted heavy flamers would do a capital job of thinning the herd. When in doubt, kill it with fire. I’ve started some assembly and (brush) priming - starting with tactical marines and the Space Marine captain. Haven’t decided what I want to do with most of the bases yet, but I am going to try to do a ‘long-ruined road’ on some of them -a few bricks peeking through grass, gravel, and turf. So here’s my army thus far : 5 Tactical Marines (from a paint set I purchased ages ago) 10 Tactical Marines (including one Sergeant, from Assault on Black Reach) 1 Space Marine Captain (Assault on BR) 5 Terminators (Assault on BR) 1 Dreadnought (Assault on BR) 5 Assault Marines 5 Scouts 5 Death Company 5 Sanguinary Guard 1 Baal Predator And in metal : Sanguinor, Exemplar of the Host Astorath the Grim Terminator Captain Librarian in Terminator Armor Chaplain (with Jump Pack) In addition to a few that I may be buying from someone who contacted me because of this thread, I’m thinking I may want one more copy of Assault on Black Reach, and definitely another Baal Predator, and another Dreadnought or two. Blood Angels are pretty mobile, but I still may want to pick up some transport-type vehicles… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=7)