# Goddammit (Warhammer 40K) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 9, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311 "2012-02-09T14:57:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/141 "2012-05-01T19:35:16Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > You bring up a very good point, about the typical squad markings, and the reason I haven’t done anything with their shoulderpads is because I haven’t fully decided what I want to do yet. I know I am going to deviate from the blood angels’ standard a little bit, at least - I think the ‘helmet color’ thing for squad types is goofy, and I think, instead, I may color the ‘mohawk’ on the helmet instead of the whole thing. And I don’t know if I want to freehand the chapter insignia, use transfer sheets, or what as far as the shoulders go. Officially, in First Edition, Blood Angels used helmet stripes like everybody else and their gauntlets were a darker shade of red than the “terracotta” color of the armour. This evolved in Second Edition when GW released _Angels of Death_ and both the Blood Angels and Dark Angels were revealed to have deviated substantially from the Codex. The transfer sheets from the old bike sets seems to work best, as the chapter symbols are slightly smaller there than on the tactical or devastator sheets. Given the width of the Blood Angels icon, I’ve found that if you’re having trouble getting it to stick properly to the shoulder guard’s curved surface that you can cut the “wings” free from the blood drop and position the three pieces separately. Once I get the icon on, I usually go back and add some highlights (usually a white “shine” to the blood drop) or paint over the transfer’s edges if I see something I don’t like. It’s worked better sometimes than others. The helmet color I can take or leave – I just do it to be Chapter Approved. I really dig the differing squad insignia on the knee guards, though. This is something unique to the Blood Angels, as other chapters note squad number on the right shoulder guard. Unfortunately, I have a large number of First Edition beekees featuring the straight Mk VI-style greaves with no knee-guards. It sure makes them hard to tell apart! > [@](#): > > And thanks for the kind words on the bases. I’m pleased with how they turned out, though they didn’t come along quite as easily as I’d hoped. I had a vision in my head of a long-disused brick road with moss and grass overwhelming it, and the effect worked pretty well after I found the right color for the bricks. Apparently, my Blood Angels only fight on perfectly manicured green meadows… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/142 "2012-05-02T13:25:40Z")
> [@psiekier](#): > > Apparently, my Blood Angels only fight on perfectly manicured green meadows… :rolleyes: Well, that’s a step above each of them bringing their own tiny black dais to the war zone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/143 "2012-05-03T20:39:17Z")
Sorry I didn’t get back to you quicker. They look great. Very clean with no brush strokes or overlap errors visible. Certainly better than my work. There’s only one thing that bugs me and it’s personal preference. I always paint the underside of the shoulders black to create depth and shadow. I definitely like that you paint the flexible joints at the backs of the knees and at the hips black. I guess Star Wars Storm Troopers made that the only right way for it to look in my mind. I also like the brick and grass bases. What did you make the bricks out of? ---
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/144 "2012-05-04T03:10:53Z")
So maybe I could start painting again, if I find the time and the motivation… like most GW enthusiasts, I have a stock of unpainted models that - had they their arms and weapons - would surely lay waste to what I actually have painted. My first round of pictures didn’t come out too well, but here are some that would impress if I could get them finished up: [First Edition Exo-Armour](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_first_terminator01.jpg) (prototype Tactical Dreadnought or “Terminator” Armour) … and a [trio of Blood Angels](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_blood_angel_trio01.jpg) intended to flesh out the Third Company’s Fourth Squad (Tactical); from left to right, a Mk IV Imperium Maximus suit, a Second Edition Veteran Sergeant with bionic eye and power axe, and a Mk VIII Errant Armour. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/145 "2012-05-04T10:38:35Z")
I’ve known about these guys for a while, but now that they’re actually shipping their first kit I thought I’d bring them up. [Defiance Games](http://defiancegames.com/index.php/news/item/markos-paints-marines) I haven’t seen the models in person, but if anyone is looking for cheap Imperial Guard and likes what these guys look like, they’re an option. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/146 "2012-05-04T12:48:32Z")
> [@psiekier](#): > > So maybe I could start painting again, if I find the time and the motivation… like most GW enthusiasts, I have a stock of unpainted models that - had they their arms and weapons - would surely lay waste to what I actually have painted. > > My first round of pictures didn’t come out too well, but here are some that would impress if I could get them finished up: > > [First Edition Exo-Armour](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_first_terminator01.jpg) (prototype Tactical Dreadnought or “Terminator” Armour) > > … and a [trio of Blood Angels](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_blood_angel_trio01.jpg) intended to flesh out the Third Company’s Fourth Squad (Tactical); from left to right, a Mk IV Imperium Maximus suit, a Second Edition Veteran Sergeant with bionic eye and power axe, and a Mk VIII Errant Armour. Oh, wow, that exo-armor is a very cool model. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/147 "2012-05-04T13:01:04Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Sorry I didn’t get back to you quicker. They look great. Very clean with no brush strokes or overlap errors visible. Certainly better than my work. There’s only one thing that bugs me and it’s personal preference. I always paint the underside of the shoulders black to create depth and shadow. I definitely like that you paint the flexible joints at the backs of the knees and at the hips black. I guess Star Wars Storm Troopers made that the only right way for it to look in my mind. I also like the brick and grass bases. What did you make the bricks out of? Yeah, I waffled on the underside of the shoulders - I think one of them may be my final ‘base’ color under there, and the rest may be the slightly darker red that I use as a pre-coat. That’s something I may fix before sealing. I’m also thinking of doing a black ink wash over them to see if that looks good - I’ll do one of them and see how it turns out. The bricks were a bit of inspiration that hit me early on in the process, but they didn’t go _Quite_ as smoothly as I wanted. They are made from a comic book backing board - essentially, cardstock, with a semi-glossy coating on one side - that I scored in a ‘brick’ pattern using a ruler and the metal tip (with lead retracted) of a mechanical pencil. What I didn’t realize was that the paint has enough water in it to cause the grooves I scored to lose a lot of their depth. It’s still there, but it was hard to see. I experimented with a couple of color combinations, but what finally seemed to work for me on my samples was tracing the grooves with a fine-tip marker pen, painting the bricks a light tan color (thinned a little so as not to obscure the pen’s marks), and then going over the whole thing with a brown ink wash. This produced nice, sandy-yellow bricks. At least, that worked on my sample. When I did the ones I’d already glued to the bases, the ink wash came on a little heavy, making them look more like wood than sandy stone. So I did a 50/50 mix of the brown ink and the tan basecoat to color in the centers of the bricks - it came out a nice little shade of grey, bizarrely, but I love it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/148 "2012-05-04T17:48:17Z")
> [@psiekier](#): > > So maybe I could start painting again, if I find the time and the motivation… like most GW enthusiasts, I have a stock of unpainted models that - had they their arms and weapons - would surely lay waste to what I actually have painted. > > My first round of pictures didn’t come out too well, but here are some that would impress if I could get them finished up: > > [First Edition Exo-Armour](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_first_terminator01.jpg) (prototype Tactical Dreadnought or “Terminator” Armour) > > … and a [trio of Blood Angels](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/WIP/WIP_blood_angel_trio01.jpg) intended to flesh out the Third Company’s Fourth Squad (Tactical); from left to right, a Mk IV Imperium Maximus suit, a Second Edition Veteran Sergeant with bionic eye and power axe, and a Mk VIII Errant Armour. I gotta admit, even though I put down my pots & minis a long time ago… I’m kinda jealous of people who still have beakies lying around (even more so the beakies posted a little further upthread that still have the huge rivets on the boots & smaller shoulderpads). That design was the shit. The new one is OK I suppose, but it’s no beakie. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/149 "2012-05-05T23:22:27Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I gotta admit, even though I put down my pots & minis a long time ago… I’m kinda jealous of people who still have beakies lying around (even more so the beakies posted a little further upthread that still have the huge rivets on the boots & smaller shoulderpads). > That design was the shit. The new one is OK I suppose, but it’s no beakie. Yeah, the RTB01 Beakie box was awesome. 30 Marines for less than a dollar each. It really encouraged experimenting. Especially since they were plastic and could be cut up easily. ---
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/150 "2012-05-06T14:55:50Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Yeah, the RTB01 Beakie box was awesome. 30 Marines for less than a dollar each. It really encouraged experimenting. Especially since they were plastic and could be cut up easily. Well, I’m no Tom Schadle… besides, you’ll have to remember how long ago I painted [these guys](http://www.peteandkellie.com/wh40k/images/blood_angels/RTB01_beekees01.jpg). “Bee-kee” is the Ork word for “Space Marine”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/151 "2012-05-06T16:59:02Z")
I just got back into painting WH stuff. I have most of a Space Marine Army that I started painting as Templars years ago. I don’t think I want to continue with Templars though. I thought about painting some Imperial Guards as a penal army. Orange jumpsuits, black & white stripes with the officers being prison guards. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/152 "2012-05-07T19:04:19Z")
I wonder how much of the advice in this thread has been rendered moot by GW changing to the new paints? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/153 "2012-05-07T21:21:09Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > I wonder how much of the advice in this thread has been rendered moot by GW changing to the new paints? Heh. I just got back into painting right as GW was making the switch. I like the new paints. White goes on a lot smoother than the old version and actually covers what you’re painting now. The glazes and washes are convenient but I haven’t used any of their dry or textured paints. It’s annoying that they’ve changed the name of some of their colors though. Boltgun Metal is now Leadbelcher (I think) and Chaos Black is now Abbadon Black. I hear this was done so other companies couldn’t use the same names for their paints but I don’t know if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/154 "2012-05-08T16:49:03Z")
I _assume_ the name changes were so that they could trademark them. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. ETA : The new paint system doesn’t affect me in the slightest, as I don’t use GW paints. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/155 "2012-05-14T15:03:17Z")
I’ve signed up for a couple of Warhammer events at Origins where models will be provided. The more familiarity I can get with actually playing the game, the better. I’ve got all the elements of my photography set-up ready now, so maybe I can take a second crack at those pictures soon. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/156 "2012-05-17T19:27:55Z")
You know, there are podcasts online of warhammer games with commentary. They discuss tactics, gameplay and such. Maybe those can help. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/157 "2012-05-18T12:53:41Z")
I’ve seen some clips on YouTube, but honestly, I’ve got so much I want to do right now, I can’t spare hours to watch one in detail. ---
**Author:** ![psiekier](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psiekier/32/116_2.png) [@psiekier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psiekier)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/158 "2012-05-23T13:56:51Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > You know, there are podcasts online of warhammer games with commentary. They discuss tactics, gameplay and such. Maybe those can help. It’s not that hard, **Hypno-Toad** / Just remember: [ol] [li]If you think you can beat the Tyranids in hand-to-hand combat, you’re _wrong_. Yes, I know you have… but you’re _still_ wrong.[/li][li]Dreadnought power fists are neat. If you think they make your dreadnought a match for a Wraithlord or other similarly-sized model with Toughness and Wounds, you’re _wrong_.[/li][li]Expensive wargear, legendary commanders, and flashy unit choices make your army look snazzy. If you think this can save you when you’re outnumbered 4-to-1 by Orks that get three attacks each in an assault, you’re _wrong_. [/li][li]Corollary to #3: You can’t _possibly_ shoot them all.[/li][li]Eldar are a dying race. That’s why there are so darn many of them.[/li][li]Dark Eldar are a small offshoot of their dying parent race, whose entire society is contained in a single city hidden somewhere beyond the Webway. That’s why there are even _more_ of _them_.[/li][li]The rest of the Tau army really _is_ there just to stand in front of the guys armed with railguns.[/li][li]Space Marine Land Raiders aren’t as tough you think they are.[/li][li]Necron Monoliths _are_ as tough as you think they are. [/li][li][Plasma weapons are totally worth it.](http://www.peteandkellie.com/images/wh40k/demotivators_plasma_weapons.jpg)[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/159 "2012-05-25T04:03:08Z")
A heads up for everyone: Games Workshop is raising their prices again this weekend. So if you still buy GW models, do so before the 28th. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311/160 "2012-05-25T13:26:25Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > A heads up for everyone: Games Workshop is raising their prices again this weekend. So if you still buy GW models, do so before the 28th. Really? Geez. Well, I’ve bought everything I should need for a while.. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddammit-warhammer-40k/612311.md?page=9)