# Goddamn Chinese-made CRAP! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 26, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225 "2005-04-26T19:44:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/21 "2005-04-27T04:50:41Z")
The answer to why Chinese products are CRAP isn’t as simple as you make it out to be. It surely can’t be pegged solely on a political system. There’s a much more simple explanation for why Chinese products are crap. It’s…(wait for it) BECAUSE WE BUY IT!!! (“we” meaning not me when I can help it) China is exporting CRAP products to the U.S. by the shipload and the people of the U.S. are buying those CRAP products. They quickly get the message that quality doesn’t matter when they are selling to consumers who are happy to buy effectively disposable goods. The Chinese are merely providing the market with what it apparently wants, and I don’t judge them negatively for this. We vote with our dollars, so to speak. In this case, a large number of American consumers vote for CRAP quality items. I suspect that there are a lot of other countries that don’t see all the CRAP Chinese products that we do. There’s a reason for that. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/22 "2005-04-27T04:59:02Z")
Come on now people, it’s not racism to say “Chinese factories make shitty tools”, or such. It’s a damn FACT! (IME) of course I am in the building/mechanical trades, and have used every power tool known. In 25 years, I have never seen a China manufactured tool last for shit compared to tools made in the US, UK, AUS, Europe or any “western” country. On the job, Chinese made power tools won’t last a damn day sometimes. I have seen people get HURT more than once using cheap ass Chinese tools ie. sockets shattering, lifting devices failing, etc. I am sure the Chinese are more than capable of making quality tools, it’s just that they are using inferior materials/manufacturing methods Yep, I’m gonna trust my life (or my employees) to that $148.95 “8 ton hoist” from Harbor Freight. Nope, I will spend $1200 on shit I know won’t collapse and kill somebody. Get off your PC (“your a racist”) high horse on this shit. Anybody that actually uses tools to make a living knows where I am coming from. People can die when inferior tools fail, get fucking real! ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/23 "2005-04-27T05:13:43Z")
Why make the distinction? Isn’t shitty workmanship international? Why please why make the distinction? In My opinion there is racism going on when you choose to add a race to your assessment of the workmanship of any paticular product. Is china worse than everyone else? Or are you just not seeing that an awful lot of what we buy and use is made in china, so it seems like all those shitty things you’re buying “come from china” ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/24 "2005-04-27T05:15:59Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > Sorry, but to me the second bolded statement looks like blatant racism. Saying ‘products’ is not far away from saying ‘people’. > > By attacking workmanship you are attacking workers ability i.e. workers i.e. people… Under the title ‘chinese’ I missed this silly ass post on my way to the silly ass post following yours. Glad I stumbled upon it so that I can give you a hearty **FUCK YOU** for trying to portray what I said as “blatant racism.” Saying “products” is a fucking light-year away from saying “people” and your attempt to draw the connection says more about you than it does about me. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/25 "2005-04-27T05:20:45Z")
products are the intellectual and physical output of one or more people. I’m simply saying that by criticising the product you are indirectly criticising the people who made it. Which is fine if it’s true. But you chose to include the word ‘chinese’. so you are criticising the output of specifically chinese workers. So on some level you are criticising the people. I said ‘not far away’. Maybe that was wrong. But I stand by my opinion that the statement ‘chinese products are crap’ is still basically racist. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/26 "2005-04-27T05:21:04Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > Why make the distinction? Isn’t shitty workmanship international? Why please why make the distinction? > > In My opinion there is racism going on when you choose to add a race to your assessment of the workmanship of any paticular product. Is china worse than everyone else? Or are you just not seeing that an awful lot of what we buy and use is made in china, so it seems like all those shitty things you’re buying “come from china” When did China become a race? Would it make you happy if I said that most American cars are CRAP? Most American cars are crap. There. Am I “racist” against Americans now? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/27 "2005-04-27T05:22:25Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Most American cars are crap. There. Am I “racist” against Americans now? Yep. And “china is not a race” is pedantic. the term ‘racism’ is acceptable in these types of context. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/28 "2005-04-27T05:25:44Z")
Dammit Lobsang, I am saying that tools made in China aren’t worth shit. And I specified my belief that Chinese people are as capable as anybody of making quality tools, except for poor manu methods and materials. If I am a racist for that, then we are obviously not on the same page. You apparently don’t use tools on your job every day. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/29 "2005-04-27T05:28:44Z")
[QUOTE=voltaire] When did China become a race? QUOTE] [Race](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=race) **Klaatu** Racism isn’t bla…er… isn’t binary \ As soon as you start pigeon-holing something and then criticising it you are opening yourself up to accusasions of prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/30 "2005-04-27T05:33:01Z")
> [@Lobsang](#): > > _\>\>\>Most American cars are crap. There. Am I “racist” against Americans now?_ > > Yep. Well, if we’re going to throw around the word “racist” so liberally, I’m going to go ahead and call you a racist for not capitalizing the word “Chinese” repeatedly. You blatantly racist bastard you. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/31 "2005-04-27T05:36:48Z")
Dude, get a fucking grip. You are about calling me a racist for saying China makes inferior tools compared to some other countries. Think about that. That would be like UK Dopers being called racists for saying that our beer in the US sucks (I agree) WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/32 "2005-04-27T05:37:16Z")
That’s just laziness. It’s 6:40am and I’m wondering why in OG’s name I decided to click on ‘SDMB’… Oh I remember. It was being woken up after fuckall sleep by the wailing mut from next door. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/33 "2005-04-27T05:43:59Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > Think about that. That would be like UK Dopers being called racists for saying that our beer in the US sucks (I agree) Let’s agree to disagree about whether there’s racism going on. I’m not saying you’re evil or anything, just that there exists some amount of anti-Chinese sentiment, even if it’s not deliberate, in some of the things being said. I pitted Budweiser once. The thread quickly grew into a discussion of _Good_ American Beers, and how the imported stuff was crap. I just think you have to think twice about what you say. You can argue it till you’re blue in the face, but on the surface of it the broad statements being thrown around can quite easily be percieved on first impression as racist, therefore they should be re-thought. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/34 "2005-04-27T05:47:31Z")
Now you are just mumbling…Come on man, how does criticizing manufacturing methods/materials in another country now equate to racism? You are grasping at straws for a reason I know not why. ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/35 "2005-04-27T05:50:04Z")
Holy crap Lobsang. I’ve long respected your views and opinions, but on this topic, you’ve gone way the fuck off the deepend. You’re over-analyzing people’s statements, implying meanings that were never there (as the people who you’ve quoted have attested to) and thrown around the race card as if it were candy on the fourth of July. Get a grip man. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/36 "2005-04-27T05:52:57Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > Now you are just mumbling…Come on man, how does criticizing manufacturing methods/materials in another country now equate to racism? I think I explained. > [@](#): > > You are grasping at straws for a reason I know not why. It seems to me that it’s you who are grasping at straws. Are you telling me there’s _nothing_ racist about “Chinese products are crap”? ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/37 "2005-04-27T05:54:40Z")
> [@Duderdude2](#): > > Holy crap Lobsang. > > I’ve long respected your views and opinions, but on this topic, you’ve gone way the fuck off the deepend. You’re over-analyzing people’s statements, implying meanings that were never there (as the people who you’ve quoted have attested to) and thrown around the race card as if it were candy on the fourth of July. > > Get a grip man. This is fucking mad. If I even dreamed of (hypothetically) saying something like “American made sit-coms are crap” I’d never hear the end of it!! ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/38 "2005-04-27T05:55:50Z")
[weird creepy kid’s singsong voice] \*an eye for an eye, fuel to the fire. \* [/wcksv] > [@Chefguy](#): > > … Jesus fucking christ on a hamburger. Do the words ‘quality assurance’ mean anything to anybody these days? Or is the goal just to maximize profits and fuck the consumer? > > I have a hard time finding hamburgers that are decent. A combination of double arches and a stupid clown marks the end of a day of searching. > > So I went in and picked up a McSomething, and \*the fucking Something must be made with the fucking remains of an overweight bovine tortured to death on udder clamps. \* Sorry cocksucker American beef gluttons. Now I get to start all over again with this bullshit. And I don’t want to hear about the poor cocksuckers being underpaid by the hour having to eat fat inducing crap three times a day. It’s the corporate motherfuckers that allow poor quality and it’s them I pit into a thousand hells. > [@fushj00mang](#): > > … but what do you expect from the world’s largest 1st World yonihole?) If they put as much cash into education as they do into their military, the world would be safer and they would be an honest powerhouse worthy of the title ‘superpower.’ But then again, revolution isn’t too far behind if there is integrity. … > [@voltaire](#): > > … The answer to why American products are JUNK isn’t as simple as you make it out to be. It surely can’t be pegged solely on a political system. There’s a much more simple explanation for why American products are junk. It’s…(wait for it) BECAUSE WE BUY IT!!! (“we” meaning not me when I can help it) > > America is exporting JUNK food to the World by the shitload and the people of the World are buying those JUNK foods. They quickly get the message that quality doesn’t matter when they are selling to consumers who are happy to eat fat inducing child addictive foods. The Americans are merely providing the market with what it apparently wants, and I don’t judge them negatively for this. We vote with our dollars, so to speak. In this case, a large number of World consumers vote for JUNK food. … > [@Klaatu](#): > > … Come on now people, it’s not racism to say “American fast foods make shitty hamburgers”, or such. It’s a damn FACT! (IME) of course > > I am the mother of 2 children and have fed them with every type of food known. > In 25 years, I have seen mothers fed their child with ze American junk and seen them balloon into their adult years. And I do mean **BALLOON**! > > I am sure the Americans are more than capable of making quality foods, it’s just that they are using inferior materials/cooking methods > > Get off your PC (“your a racist”) high horse on this shit. > > People can die eating these inferior stuff, get fucking real! these posts have been Contrarified by the Contrarian! ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/39 "2005-04-27T05:56:13Z")
Look Lobsang, here are two broad statements for your perusal: 1. The Chinese make shitty tools. 2.The Americans make shitty beer. Question : Which statement is racist? 1? 2? According to your bullshit, both should be, or do us Yanks get a pass? In that case, are you selectively deciding what is racist or what is not? Pray tell. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2005, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225/40 "2005-04-27T05:56:46Z")
I’m not saying anyone **means** to be racist! I’m saying the things being said are indirectly racist. Perhaps I might go so far as to say people are being careless. Just because I’m not doing a very good job of explaining it, doesn’t mean it’s not true. I’m just a crap debator, especially at this stupid hour. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-chinese-made-crap/301225.md?page=3)