You fuck off, Sir.
Had I known you were a thieving twat this wouldn’t have gone on so long.
If you want to quote me one more time ensure the first line afterwards is
You think I’m a troll for my position on Ms. Farmer … Cool.
I think your a cunt for your ripping off a friend.
Can we assume your female friend was not androgynous and so she didn’t flag up as someone who mattered in your righteous championing of the oppressed grand scheme of things.
Low-life fuck-weasel piece of shit that you are probably doesn’t care either that she might have, heaven forefend, needed it for something. Cunt!.
Fuck you and your faux outrage and shitty forum etiquette, I’m sad I haven’t been around to hear your other 19,993 posts of profound low-brow spam, RO wailing and alround twat-handedness.
wendigo1974, I removed the attribution from your second quote. We ask that people only use attributed quote tags to reproduce the exact words of other posters. (Not a warning, just an FYI.)
OK, look. We cannot, nor should we attempt to legislate, educate, or rule on every thing that might, someday, possibly, maybe, perhaps, one sunday afternoon in 1962, and for only 20 minutes have a percieved impact on someone’s ability to pee.
She didn’t get denied the service typical of the bar/restaurant, (i.e. no booze for you, butchy mclesbian!) as I previously stated, one douchebag in the douchebag capital of the known universe did one douchebag thing, this is not something that you’re going to need to enact legislation to prevent, it’s something that should be dealt with on a local level, by the local people who make up that community.
If you’re telling me, or stating as a matter of fact that women being kicked out of womens bathrooms for looking like men is an “under-reported and increasing problem” I will need a cite. Seriously.
Of course we can legislate everything buttonjockey- That way when something stupid happens due to stupid circumstances, the person in question can get even!
To think- We used to just walk away from someplace that we didn’t like, and never come back! Now we have some recourse to make everyone else change. Thank god for progression.
That is what I believe to be true, and I’m quite sure that is how I have presented my views in this thread. I also think that homosexuality is ill-defined and under-reported. I also think that pretty much any aspect of gender-role-breaking behavior is ill-defined and under-reported. I’ve also pointed out that cites are not a one-way street. I’ve also stated that there is lots of room for study and research in this area (gender perception in general).
Cookies I read your cite. Can you tell me what transgender people who do not identify as female or male? Just curious. I guess I lead a sheltered life.
Oh, and it is not so much a study but rather a survey of 500 people who identify as transgendered in San Francisco.
I agree. I cut and paste that from the “safe2pee.org” site where I found the link. They refer to it as a “study”, the document itself defines it as a survey.
As for what people define themselves as if not “male” or “female” or “transgender”, and why, I can’t personally testify, but I don’t think it is anyone’s place to infer that anyone else can’t or shouldn’t define themselves however they are most comfortable with.
Does that mean I can define myself as a cheetah? Despite the fact that, you know, I’m not a cheetah. Isn’t gender an issue of chromozomes? Not sexuality but gender.
In my world view, sure. You are you and it is not my place or anyone else’s to tell you that your perception of yourself is wrong. [insert all necessary fine print such as “so long as by doing so you do not harm yourself or others, etc, etc”]
Merriam-Webster definition of “gender”:
Imho gender is a construct, similar to race. There is no genetic basis for race. There is no chromosomal basis for gender.
You need to re-read that definition. The one you cherry picked is the last one. The first one deals with language. The next one 2a says: Sex
Main Entry: 1sex
Pronunciation: \ˈseks\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin sexus
Date: 14th century
1: either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures
2: the sum of the structural, functional, and behavioral characteristics of organisms that are involved in reproduction** marked by the union of gametes and that distinguish males and females**
Settle down spunky. I claimed that gender had something to do with genetics. Cookies said I was wrong and privided a link to a definition. I simply pointed out that her own link did in fact list as one of those definitions one that did refer to sex organs and gametes. I never said her definition was wrong.
Please don’t make this a GLBT vs the straight guy thing. I fully support the right of people to live their life any way they choose with respect to gender identity or sexuality and their right not to be discriminated against or harassed in bars or anywhere else.
I guess having been married for the better part of two decades I just don’t understand why some people choose to define themselves by who they choose to have sex with. I don’t understand why it is such an all consuming issue for some people. I was born with a penis so I just assumed that made me a male.
The way I’ve been taught is sex= male/female, biological. Gender=male/female, socially constructed; now you’re talking gender roles, masculinity and femininity, not necessarily corresponding to genetic sex.
If you were regularly discriminated against for being straight, your sexuality would probably be a much larger issue for you. When you get treated differently than everyone else for a particular trait or characteristic, the importance of that trait becomes greatly magnified, both for yourself, and for the people around you.