# Goddamn I hate San Francisco **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 6, 2005, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023 "2005-04-06T12:09:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/101 "2005-04-07T20:51:48Z")
I really don’t understand this bars closing at 2AM thing. Here in New York people don’t even SHOW UP to parties til like 1 AM. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/102 "2005-04-07T21:14:17Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I really don’t understand this bars closing at 2AM thing. Here in New York people don’t even SHOW UP to parties til like 1 AM. That’s 5am, actually – West Coast bars observe East Coast time, since New York people are so cool in everything that they do. (Can you IMAGINE going to a party at 1am?? My stars!) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/103 "2005-04-07T22:24:00Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > …there are a lot of people moving to SF from NY who cannot seem to go ten minutes without saying “let me tell you why NY is so much better than SF…” Oh, it’s not just Frisco, believe me. I can’t go ANYWHERE without saying “let me tell you why NY is so much better than here…” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/104 "2005-04-07T22:26:56Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > Oh, it’s not just Frisco, believe me. > > I can’t go ANYWHERE without saying “let me tell you why NY is so much better than here…” Including, oddly enough, New York. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2005, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/105 "2005-04-07T22:39:19Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > Oh, it’s not just Frisco, believe me. > > I can’t go ANYWHERE without saying “let me tell you why NY is so much better than here…” _deep shudder_ Please. Once again: _San_ Francisco. NOT _Frisco_. You nasty, getting-away-from-the-snow-and-cluttering-up-my-beautiful-city tourist. 😛 I’ve never grasped the concept of travelling anyplace simply to complain about how much better home is. Honestly, if you don’t like it, don’t go! Stay home. Then we’ll all be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/106 "2005-04-08T00:36:04Z")
You call this a _knish?!?_ And where’s my Cel-Ray Tonic, fer chrissakes? In Noo Yawk, if ya get _laid back_, we run ya _ovah!_ – Uke, who likes Frisco perfectly well, especially the reaction he gets when he says “Frisco” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/107 "2005-04-08T00:57:58Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > _deep shudder_ Please. Once again: _San_ Francisco. NOT _Frisco_. Despite living here my entire life, I’ve never understood why that particular abbreviation is so hated. Any insights? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/108 "2005-04-08T01:02:50Z")
Frisco is what you get when you deep-fry Fresno in Crisco. Any references to SF as such simply presumes that you got lost reading the map and took a left turn at Stockton. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/109 "2005-04-08T01:04:07Z")
Those of you who live in San Francisco might be interested to know that Joe Montana graduated from my high school. My high school is probably unique in that it can boast two Hall of Famers as graduates. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/110 "2005-04-08T01:04:18Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > Frisco is what you get when you deep-fry Fresno in Crisco. Any references to SF as such simply presumes that you got lost reading the map and took a left turn at Stockton. San Franciscan: "You can use Crisco for frying, _too_? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/111 "2005-04-08T03:49:46Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > _deep shudder_ Please. Once again: _San_ Francisco. NOT _Frisco_… When you stop saying “the City”, we’ll stop saying “frisco”. 😛 Until then, we do it _because_ it annoys those from Frisco/ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![voguevixen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b5ac83/32.png) [@voguevixen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voguevixen)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/112 "2005-04-08T04:38:46Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > – Uke, who likes Frisco perfectly well, especially the reaction he gets when he says “Frisco” exACTly To harken back to the golden days: “Frisco, frisco, frisco - as much as I like” Alternate slur: “San Francrisco” to celebrate its greasy disgustingness. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/113 "2005-04-08T04:48:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Despite living here my entire life, I’ve never understood why that particular abbreviation is so hated. Any insights? I’ve always associated people who say “Frisco” as someone trying very hard and failing to be incredibly cool. “Hey, baby! You’re from Frisco? Cool!” (I’m not, btw, I’m a bit further south) Usually wearing alot of hair grease, a gold chain, and a nasty polyester shirt with the top two buttons unbuttoned for maximum chest hair exposure. Ew. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/114 "2005-04-08T07:24:18Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > You call this a _knish?!?_ And where’s my Cel-Ray Tonic, fer chrissakes? > > In Noo Yawk, if ya get _laid back_, we run ya _ovah!_ > > – Uke, who likes Frisco perfectly well, especially the reaction he gets when he says “Frisco” Ironic that in San Francisco the drivers get a whole lot more pissed off if you jaywalk, in New York it’s just par for the course, so it works out well. I had drivers get downright aggressive in San Fran when I crossed and they were far enough away that I could get past easily if they maintained their current course and speed, but they got mad. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/115 "2005-04-08T07:37:48Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > When you stop saying “the City”, we’ll stop saying “frisco”. Seems like you’re reading too much into that expression. Maybe it’s changed since I grew up in the Bay Area, but we just said “the city” to distinguish it from the suburbs, not to imply any exalted status. As in, “Let’s have dinner in the city tonight”. Similar to the expression “going downtown”. ---
**Author:** ![bclouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@bclouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bclouse)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2005, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/116 "2005-04-08T09:37:01Z")
I have to say that I fall into the love SF camp. I’ve been in Los Angeles for almost 10 years now and there’s no comparison. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve grown to enjoy living in L.A. but it’s just a large city. Lots of cool things going on but everything seems really fake. SF feels like a living, breathing entity. Sure it’s dirty in parts (Chinatown jumps to mind immediately) but the air’s clean. The history is incredible. The diversity is astonishing. The mass transit is one of the best I’ve ever experienced. The whole of SF takes up 49 sq. miles. Staggering when you think about it. I’ve spend many nights walking around Union Square, the Tenderloin, the Haight, etc. and never felt threatened. You notice the homeless a lot more because everything is so concentrated. I live in Glendale (right outside of L.A.) and I deal with homeless people everyday as I did when I lived in Austin and Okla. City. When I’m in SF, I’m reminded of Woody Allen’s love of New York in his films _Manhattan_ and _Annie Hall_. I feel the same love for a city that he has in those films. There’s something in the air. I can understand any negative feelings that someone might have about San Francisco. It’s huge, noisy, claustrophobic, smug, full of tourists, parking’s terrible. I see that a lot of people write that it’s a nice place to visit but wouldn’t want to live there. I can’t argue with that. Moving there means that you have to make sacrifices and I can’t say that I’m ready to do such a thing. But I am pondering living there when and if I get the chance. I love to live there for at least part of my life. Feel the same way about New York. If I can live in L.A. for this long, I certainly can try and make the jump to live in SF, at least for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2005, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/117 "2005-04-09T01:54:45Z")
Frisco. Heh. I am reminded of the “frat” joke- don’t call your fraternity a frat, you wouldn’t call your country a cunt! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/118 "2005-04-09T02:24:46Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > Frisco. Heh. > > I am reminded of the “frat” joke- don’t call your fraternity a frat, you wouldn’t call your country a cunt! Obviously a joke started by non-Canadians. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2005, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/119 "2005-04-09T05:30:55Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Besides, they have very good public transit. I don’t know about that. Muni has extensive service, true, but the drivers are notoriously bad. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2005, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023/120 "2005-04-09T07:41:48Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > I don’t know about that. Muni has extensive service, true, but the drivers are notoriously bad. Try to get somewhere without a car in Southern California, _then_ see if you still want to complain about the Bay Area. :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-i-hate-san-francisco/298023.md?page=7)