# Goddamn you all, I'll probably vote for Obama--and hate it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352 "2012-06-26T15:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/21 "2012-06-26T16:22:22Z")
Take heart. Unless you live in a tightly contested state, it doesn’t matter. I live in CA, and no matter which way I vote, CA is going to go for Obama. I plan on voting for Obama, so that’s cool, but it hardly matters. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/22 "2012-06-26T16:24:07Z")
I should mention that I also hate the electoral college. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/23 "2012-06-26T16:27:33Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > My good man, that’s three strikes. I think perhaps you’re out. No love for McGovern, Mondale, Carter and Clinton? (I haven’t voted for Republicans 50% of the time.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/24 "2012-06-26T16:28:02Z")
Its your duty, as a citizen. Nobody is asking you to take a bullet, just a ballot. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/25 "2012-06-26T16:28:56Z")
You got Clinton right, anyway. For a middle-of-the-roader, your track record is embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/26 "2012-06-26T16:43:44Z")
What was so bad about Bush I? ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/27 "2012-06-26T16:45:50Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You got Clinton right, anyway. For a middle-of-the-roader, your track record is embarrassing. More than half of the time, the voting public would disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/28 "2012-06-26T17:03:49Z")
Don’t vote, like you said above your vote doesn’t matter anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/29 "2012-06-26T17:03:56Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You voted for Bush for a second term. You owe us a lot more than we owe you. There are times when I wish the SDMB functioned more like Facebook or Reddit, so that I could upvote or “like” a post. This is one of those times. The idea of a Bush voter telling us \*we \*elected the wrong guy is the height of arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/30 "2012-06-26T17:13:18Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > The idea of a Bush voter telling us \*we \*elected the wrong guy is the height of arrogance. You and **Bup** are making real strong arguments for your side. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/31 "2012-06-26T17:20:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Take heart. Unless you live in a tightly contested state, it doesn’t matter. I live in CA, and no matter which way I vote, CA is going to go for Obama. I plan on voting for Obama, so that’s cool, but it hardly matters. That’s the position I’ve always been in. I really haven’t liked any of the choices I’ve had for president, it’s just a matter of voting for the lesser evil. But since I voted in solidly Democratic states, I usually wrote in Harold Stassen. Then I usually tell people I wrote in Mickey Mouse because they have no idea who Harold Stassen was. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/32 "2012-06-26T17:21:57Z")
I wasn’t aware we were trying to seduce you to the liberals’ POV. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/33 "2012-06-26T17:22:11Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > FTR, I am supporting Gary Johnson. Huh. I’d think a Libertarian candidate for President would want to be self-sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/34 "2012-06-26T17:23:56Z")
Change the reasons why you vote for a president. I’m not saying you should holdn’t the opinions you have but many of the things you list are controlled by the house and senate. That is where you vote for those issues. The president I want will represent the USA abroad with skill and firmness. He will choose peace over war when he can. He will not enforce unjust laws and will vigously enforce just and necessary laws (define just and unjust as you please.) He will lead us by example rather than by force. And his wife will represent what is good in America and be a good example to us all. The president isn’t king, he is mayor of USAville and his main power, IMO, is where he leads us and the tone he sets, not what laws he plans to ask congress to make. Obama, while nowhere near perfect, will lead us in the general direction I want to go. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/35 "2012-06-26T17:24:15Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > That’s the position I’ve always been in. I really haven’t liked any of the choices I’ve had for president, it’s just a matter of voting for the lesser evil. But since I voted in solidly Democratic states, I usually wrote in Harold Stassen. Then I usually tell people I wrote in Mickey Mouse because they have no idea who Harold Stassen was. I voted for Obama last time, and that was probably the only time I actually was enthusiastic about the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/36 "2012-06-26T17:26:53Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I wasn’t aware we were trying to seduce you to the liberals’ POV. Well, now you are. [del]Seduce[/del] Persuade me. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/37 "2012-06-26T17:36:02Z")
I would but I have a really important task of anything else I could possibly think of to do right now. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/38 "2012-06-26T17:41:15Z")
> [@Gedd](#): > > Whenever I’ve found a on-line “figure out which person to vote for” quiz I’ve ended up being closest to some random third party candidate. I just went and took one of those [quizzes](http://www.selectsmart.com/president/) . The result: Barack Obama - 48% Mitt Romney - 46% My state isn’t “in play” for this election, but there might be someone reading this whose state is. Persuade him/her. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/39 "2012-06-26T17:43:37Z")
> [@](#): > > The balances in the Trust Fund are projected to be depleted either by 2036[33] (OASDI Trustees’ 2011 projection), or by 2038[34] (Congressional Budget Office’s extended-baseline scenario) Looks like the Social Security [computers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Time_Protocol#NTP_timestamps) run [Unix](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2038). ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/40 "2012-06-26T17:43:51Z")
You have a most interesting voting record. It appears to go all over the map. Just so you know my prejudices, I’m a Democrat myself, and was brng up Catholic. But my first caution is not to dismiss Romney because he’s a Mormon. You say that neither candidate can be proud of their religion, but you seem to come down hard on the LDS guy in terms that, were I LDS, I’d find extremely insulting. You can make anyone’s religious beliefs sound absurd with very little effort, and it’s pretty irrelevant to their functioning as our Chief Executive, at least in most cases. Some people though JFK was going to take his marching orders from the Pope, but that didn’t happen. I’d be worried if any aspirant to the office thought he was getting his orders direct from On HIgh, but I don’t think that even the prayer-meeting-holding Bush II thought he was. Romney, I feel sure, wouldn’t Of course, I disagree so thoroughly cwith Romney that I wouldn’t vote for him, myself. What you do is another matter. > [@](#): > > If Romney is elected then maybe, maybe there might be some kind of movement of legislation through congress–although the Senate would become the obstructionists instead of the House, I imagine. I can’t agree with this. It REWARDS the unprecedentedly extreme obstructionism we’ve been seeing, and I wouldn’t want to encourage that. vote for him, if you want, for some better reason, but not for this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352.md?page=3)