# Goddamn you all, I'll probably vote for Obama--and hate it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 26, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352 "2012-06-26T15:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/61 "2012-06-26T21:26:47Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > I voted for McGovern, Carter, Reagan, Mondale, Bush, Perot, Clinton, Bush, Bush and McCain. Why? That is, I’m not seeing a pattern here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/62 "2012-06-26T21:29:58Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > FTR, I am supporting Gary Johnson. [shrug] A Libertarian candidacy is always a bad joke, even compared to Ralph Nader’s. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/63 "2012-06-26T21:51:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why? > > That is, I’m not seeing a pattern here. OK. I’ll try. McGovern: It was 1972. I was in the Army. He was going to “bring the boys home.” Carter: His military and educational background. Reagan: He wasn’t Carter Mondale: This one is the outlier. He was a homie. Bush 1: The Regan years had been pretty good to me. I figured he would continue this. Perot: The bloom was off the rose. I liked some of Perot’s ideas. He didn’t talk like a politician. Clinton: Times were good. I could live with him. Really disliked him at the end. Bush 2[sup]1[/sup]: He had been a governor, and had business experience. Gore seemed too, well, strident. Bush 2[sup]2[/sup]: Still pissed about 9/11. Bush _seemed_ stronger foreign-policy wise. McCain: I didn’t think Obama was qualified for the job. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/64 "2012-06-26T22:22:09Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > OK. I’ll try. > > McGovern: It was 1972. I was in the Army. He was going to “bring the boys home.” He would have, too. Sooner than '74. That was the same reason my liberal Dad voted for Nixon in '68 (he was in Vietnam at the time) and persuaded my Mom to do the same (she never forgave him). ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/65 "2012-06-26T22:42:19Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > OK. I’ll try. So basically you’re an independent thinker who doesn’t follow any standard party line. And you probably chafe at the idea that people assume you, and people like you, are some kind of political party stooge. But I’m just guessing. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/66 "2012-06-26T22:52:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > So basically you’re an independent thinker who doesn’t follow any standard party line. I like to think so. > [@](#): > > And you probably chafe at the idea that people assume you, and people like you, are some kind of political party stooge. Nobody can take my vote for granted. > [@](#): > > But I’m just guessing. Good guess. The problem is, with this election, I don’t think that either candidate will be able to accomplish much due to the make up of the Congress. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/67 "2012-06-26T23:04:38Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > …The problem is, with this election, I don’t think that either candidate will be able to accomplish much due to the make up of the Congress. It’s obvious that the current members of Congress are incapable of working together. We either need to remove the Progress Democrats or the Olde Tyme Republicans or both. I have no problem letting an entire new batch of Repsentatives and Senators take a shot at correcting this countries problems. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/68 "2012-06-26T23:23:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It’s obvious that the current members of Congress are incapable of working together. We either need to remove the Progress Democrats or the Olde Tyme Republicans or both. > > I have no problem letting an entire new batch of Repsentatives and Senators take a shot at correcting this countries problems. _You_ get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/69 "2012-06-26T23:38:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I have no problem letting an entire new batch of Repsentatives and Senators take a shot at correcting this countries problems. I think we’ve already learned that term limits ain’t gonna fly. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/70 "2012-06-27T00:06:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I think we’ve already learned that term limits ain’t gonna fly. I’m not in favor of term limits. My ballot is my term limit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/71 "2012-06-27T00:11:43Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > But they’re here. If they were here legally, I wouldn’t care. In fact, I’d enthusiastically support them. But, given the recent changes, how long will it be until there is a court case allowing illegals to collect Social Security? I know, I know…“This isn’t an amnesty or a pathway to citizenship.” Riiiiiiight. As a practical matter, it can never happen, because an illegal alien will never be able to prove that he has paid 40 quarters into the system. Even a 50th generation citizen would be disqualified on that basis. As a legal matter, it _will_ never happen. The Supreme Court has drawn a strong distinction between _people_ and citizens, because most of the constitution only mentions the latter. SCOTUS has only ever applied constitutional protections - other than those governing criminal proceedings - to citizens and legal aliens. The exception is the right of children to an education, since they are obviously blameless. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/72 "2012-06-27T00:26:29Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > SS could easily be funded indefinitely if the cap on payroll taxes were raised. Which party do you think will do that? Personally I’d like Romney to pay a little bit more into the system It’ll help make up for the workers whose pensions were cut while Bain walked away with 300 million dollars. THANK YOU! I think the cap on payroll should be removed and ALL income (_caugh_ capital gains) should be subject to it. > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Don’t vote, like you said above your vote doesn’t matter anyway. When there are people who risk actual death to vote, it is a sad thing to not vote. Even if your vote won’t change the outcome, your voice would be heard. > [@CalMeacham](#): > > But my first caution is not to dismiss Romney because he’s a Mormon. You say that neither candidate can be proud of their religion, but you seem to come down hard on the LDS guy in terms that, were I LDS, I’d find extremely insulting. Romney isn’t just a Mormon who attended services, he was a leader in LDS. So, yes I do think his religion is a factor and, honestly, it is a bit creepy when some are pointing to him as the prophesied White Horse. ( [White Horse Prophecy - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy) ). I’ve worked with Mormons and recently ex-Mormons. Judging by the people I’ve been exposed to, the LDS has a very strong control over their followers. And the deeper the follower has gotten, the deeper that control factor is. So, with Romney as an ex-leader who is still Mormon, that is very scary to me. Scary enough that I, as a registered Republican since 18yo, prior military, prior intel support, am voting against Romney. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/73 "2012-06-27T00:33:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > As a practical matter, it can never happen, because an illegal alien will never be able to prove that he has paid 40 quarters into the system. Even a 50th generation citizen would be disqualified on that basis. What…someone couldn’t live and work in the US for 10 years? > [@](#): > > As a legal matter, it _will_ never happen. The Supreme Court has drawn a strong distinction between _people_ and citizens, because most of the constitution only mentions the latter. SCOTUS has only ever applied constitutional protections - other than those governing criminal proceedings - to citizens and legal aliens. The exception is the right of children to an education, since they are obviously blameless. I was referring to how I view the President’s latest action, and I’m incredulous as to both the statements he’s made regarding citizenship as well as the latent effects of that action. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/74 "2012-06-27T00:43:08Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > What…someone couldn’t live and work in the US for 10 years? Nevermind. I see what you meant now. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/75 "2012-06-27T00:46:25Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > I’ve been voting since I was eligible to do so. … > [@](#): > > election reform (_stop purchasing elections)_. > [@](#): > > So now I get to choose Contradictions. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/76 "2012-06-27T00:57:12Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Contradictions. I was referring to campaign finance reform. But as a result of the recent SCOTUS ruling, that one will move to the back burner. In one sense, being in a noncontested state has its blessings. Not as much money will be spent here, therefore fewer campaign ads. I’m sure I’ll see plenty of Bachmann coverage, though. She’s up for re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/77 "2012-06-27T02:21:27Z")
Rysdad, you voted for Perot? At last! I’ve found someone else who voted for him! Actually, I like the vice presidential candidate too, Stockdale. Lot of folks made fun of him after the debate, but I liked that he could give short, simple, direct answers to questions. Not like those smarmy idiots Gore and Quayle. When asked his position on abortion rights Stockdale replied _“I believe that what a woman does with her own body is her business. Period.”_ When the debate monitor shifted his shoulders as if to say “That’s IT?” Stockdale repeated _“Period.”_ Hell, whether you agreed with the man or not at least you could pin down where he stood. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/78 "2012-06-27T02:33:52Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > What? And miss my chance my chance to vote for Michele Bachmann? > > [sub] (Not really, she’s not from my district.)[/sub] We would glady have her move to your district. Gotta spread the crazy around. Batshit crazy that is. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/79 "2012-06-27T02:38:34Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > When asked his position on abortion rights Stockdale replied _“I believe that what a woman does with her own body is her business. Period.”_ When the debate monitor shifted his shoulders as if to say “That’s IT?” Stockdale repeated _“Period.”_ Hell, whether you agreed with the man or not at least you could pin down where he stood. Even a blind pig/squirrel/etc. finds an acorn sometimes. Old saying. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352/80 "2012-06-27T02:52:36Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Let him speak at Obama’ inauguration. 😕 He didn’t. [Rick Warren spoke](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inauguration_of_Barack_Obama#cite_ref-121). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goddamn-you-all-ill-probably-vote-for-obama-and-hate-it/626352.md?page=5)