# God's math **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992 "2014-07-13T13:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/241 "2014-07-14T02:13:07Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Ah. Is this where you explain that the scripture that **tom~** quoted doesn’t actually mean what it says, but something entirely different and self-serving? No, it means what it says but has no relevance to his point. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/242 "2014-07-14T02:13:27Z")
If you were given the power to eliminate Hell, would you do so? ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/243 "2014-07-14T02:19:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So tell us what they mean and why they’re not relevant to your larger point, just after you tell us what your larger point is. What I will tell you is that Romans 2 does not contradict anything I believe or have said thus nullifying by exclusion any point he was trying to make.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/244 "2014-07-14T02:19:20Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > No, I wouldn’t force them to live with someone they don’t love much less like, the only other option is hell. You think Atheists and Jews don’t love or like god? Equally or is this ‘dislike’ or “not love” different? How are Jews and Atheists different here? (we’ll get into the nonsense of your statement AFTER you answer that question). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/245 "2014-07-14T02:21:12Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > What I will tell you is that Romans 2 does not contradict anything I believe or have said thus nullifying by exclusion any point he was trying to make.:smack: You can say it all you want, but you have yet to refute it in any meaningful way. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/246 "2014-07-14T02:21:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If you were given the power to eliminate Hell, would you do so? I would not accept that power therefore I wouldn’t even entertain that thought. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/247 "2014-07-14T02:23:27Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You can say it all you want, but you have yet to refute it in any meaningful way. If it bears no meaning against what I’ve said or what I believe then what is left to refute? ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/248 "2014-07-14T02:26:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You think Atheists and Jews don’t love or like god? Equally or is this ‘dislike’ or “not love” different? How are Jews and Atheists different here? > > (we’ll get into the nonsense of your statement AFTER you answer that question). Plenty of Jews love God but first you should look into the nonsense of your question about atheists loving and liking God:smack: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/249 "2014-07-14T02:28:13Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Plenty of Jews love God but first you should look into the nonsense of your question about atheists loving and liking God:smack: Do you think Atheists “do not like” or “love” god? If Jews love God, why do they deserve hell ? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/250 "2014-07-14T02:29:09Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > I would not accept that power therefore I wouldn’t even entertain that thought. I would accept that power gladly and use it (assuming for the purposes of this discussion that Hell and souls that can be damned to Hell actually exist). That makes me more moral than your god, since I don’t wish eternal suffering to exist and, if given the power to stop it, I would stop it. By the way, you’ve said several times what your point is _not_, how about telling us what it _is_? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/251 "2014-07-14T02:29:14Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > If it bears no meaning against what I’ve said or what I believe then what is left to refute? You keep stating it, but you have yet to give a single reason why - you haven’t “explained” it, if you will - simply stating that it doesn’t apply does not make it not apply. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/252 "2014-07-14T02:30:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I would accept that power gladly and use it (assuming for the purposes of this discussion that Hell and souls that can be damned to Hell actually exist). That makes me more moral than your god, since I don’t wish eternal suffering to exist and, if given the power to stop it, I would stop it. Maybe you could get all the pedophiles out and they could stay at your place:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/253 "2014-07-14T02:31:32Z")
> [@simster](#): > > You keep stating it, but you have yet to give a single reason why - you haven’t “explained” it, if you will - simply stating that it doesn’t apply does not make it not apply. What do you want me to explain exactly? I bet you don’t even know?:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/254 "2014-07-14T02:32:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > By the way, you’ve said several times what your point is _not_, how about telling us what it _is_? watch the video ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/255 "2014-07-14T02:35:36Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > What do you want me to explain exactly? I bet you don’t even know?:smack: I want you to explain why it does not apply, or even possibly what it means - maybe you don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/256 "2014-07-14T02:36:48Z")
You keep using that icon :smack: … I don’t think it means what you think it means … ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/257 "2014-07-14T02:36:57Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > watch the video no - explain it - use your words. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/258 "2014-07-14T02:38:52Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Maybe you could get all the pedophiles out and they could stay at your place:smack: Can you tell us what you think Hell actually is and what actually goes on there? I hadn’t pictured it as some kind of cosmic flophouse, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/259 "2014-07-14T02:40:42Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > You keep using that icon :smack: … I don’t think it means what you think it means … I think he’s implying Leviticus 24:20. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/260 "2014-07-14T02:43:50Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > watch the video Yeah, I got three minutes in, stopped when Jesus was assumed to be 33 ⅓ years old at the crucifixion and the author then used that number as the premise of later assumptions. That’s not how logic works, though - you can’t reliably use an unproven premise to prove other premises. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=14)