# God's math **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992 "2014-07-13T13:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/261 "2014-07-14T02:51:52Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I want you to explain why it does not apply, or even possibly what it means - maybe you don’t know. It does not apply because whatever his name was that posted the Roman 2 verses insinuated that these verses are somehow in contradiction with those who believe that we by grace are saved through faith; and that not of ourselves: it is the gift of God. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/262 "2014-07-14T02:53:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, I got three minutes in, stopped when Jesus was assumed to be 33 ⅓ years old at the crucifixion and the author then used that number as the premise of later assumptions. That’s not how logic works, though - you can’t reliably use an unproven premise to prove other premises. Your loss, the evidence only got stronger and stronger from there. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/263 "2014-07-14T02:53:56Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > You keep using that icon :smack: … I don’t think it means what you think it means … He may be a monk of a [particularly strict order.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY&feature=kp)_Pie Jesu Domine, Dona eis requiem._ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/264 "2014-07-14T02:56:50Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Your loss, the evidence only got stronger and stronger from there. Did any of that “stronger” evidence rely on Jesus being 33⅓ at his death? And the unanswered questions put to you continue to pile up. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/265 "2014-07-14T02:57:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can you tell us what you think Hell actually is and what actually goes on there? I hadn’t pictured it as some kind of cosmic flophouse, myself. Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus would be a good place for you to start. This 4 min video is probably the fastest way you could do that. CLICK NOW!!! https://www.youtube.com/embed/S_q-pKcNHXI?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/266 "2014-07-14T02:59:35Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **Eskimo:** If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to Hell? > > **Priest:** No, not if you did not know. > > \*\*Eskimo:\*\*Then _why did you tell me?_ > > 😃 I like the Discworld version: [QUOTE=Terry Pratchett] The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is so important to shoot missionaries on sight [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/267 "2014-07-14T02:59:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Did any of that “stronger” evidence rely on Jesus being 33⅓ at his death? > > And the unanswered questions put to you continue to pile up. Yes because 33 1/3 x 360 means He walked the Earth 12,000 prophetic days and that is why 12,000 is the very key measurement of Heaven. It’s because of His perfect sinless life that allows you to live there. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/268 "2014-07-14T03:06:11Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus would be a good place for you to start. > This 4 min video is probably the fastest way you could do that. > > CLICK NOW!!! > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S\_q-pKcNHXI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_q-pKcNHXI) I’m watching it now. Is this what you believe Hell is actually like? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/269 "2014-07-14T03:10:43Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Yes because 33 1/3 x 360 means He walked the Earth 12,000 prophetic days and that is why 12,000 is the very key measurement of Heaven. It’s because of His perfect sinless life that allows you to live there. So if he was born on (rendered on a modern calendar) 25-December-01, he would have been crucified on (calculated using Excel) 02-November-34? Why is Easter celebrated in the spring? ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/270 "2014-07-14T03:15:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So if he was born on (rendered on a modern calendar) 25-December-01, he would have been crucified on (calculated using Excel) 02-November-34? > > Why is Easter celebrated in the spring? I’ll tell you this, your calculations are way off and there’s no point of me going into with you as it won’t be a deal breaker for you either way. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/271 "2014-07-14T03:18:16Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > I’ll tell you this, your calculations are way off and there’s no point of me going into with you as it won’t be a deal breaker for you either way. You do seem to like “you’re wrong but I won’t explain how” as an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/272 "2014-07-14T03:19:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m watching it now. Is this what you believe Hell is actually like? Yeah that rich man was begging for just one drop of water to cool his tongue. You can imagine all the good things like water, that we take for granted, that won’t be there. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/273 "2014-07-14T03:19:58Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > I’ll tell you this, your calculations are way off and there’s no point of me going into with you as it won’t be a deal breaker for you either way. Dude your calculations have been shown to be complete junk. You don’t have a leg to stand on criticizing anyone else’s arithmetic. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/274 "2014-07-14T03:21:37Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You do seem to like “you’re wrong but I won’t explain how” as an argument. Why should I bother Lol it won’t change his mind on anything ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/275 "2014-07-14T03:22:49Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Dude your calculations have been shown to be complete junk. You don’t have a leg to stand on criticizing anyone else’s arithmetic. They have? Oh my when did this happen?😕:smack: ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/276 "2014-07-14T03:23:12Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Why should I bother Lol it won’t change his mind on anything Then why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/277 "2014-07-14T03:23:46Z")
If you get enough numbers or words, you can pretend to prove anything. God loves gaming: > [@](#): > > Genesis 13:1 > And Abram went \*\*up \*\*out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south. > > Genesis 13:10 > And Lot lifted **up** his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar. > > Genesis 15:11 > And when the fowls came **down** upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. > > Genesis 15:12 > And when the sun was going **down** , a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. > > Genesis 17:22 > And he **left** off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham. > > Genesis 18:25 > That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do **right**? > > Genesis 18:33 > And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had **left** communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. > > Genesis 24:48 > And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the **right** way to take my master’s brother’s daughter unto his son. > > 2 Samuel 8:8 > And from **Beta** h, and from Berothai, cities of Hadadezer, king David took exceeding much brass. > > Revelation 1:8 > I am **Alpha** and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Up up down down left right left right B A Yeah verily doest the bible teach us the Konami Code. So it it written, so it shall be done. In all seriousness, how can you get on with all of this numerical nonsense and ignore the fact that the Almighty created humanity twice by two different methods? > [@](#): > > Genesis 1:27 > In his own image method: > So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. > > Dirt and spare ribs method: > Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. > > Genesis 2:21 > And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; > > Genesis 2:22 > And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And why are magical abortions ok in the bible in situations of suspected infidelity. (Numbers 5: 12-31, the ordeal of the bitter waters. ) Seriously. Work on something useful with your time dude. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/278 "2014-07-14T03:24:27Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > They have? Oh my when did this happen?😕:smack: When you start off saying a year is 360 days - When you start with a faulty premise - the rest is going to be junk. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/279 "2014-07-14T03:24:39Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Maybe you could get all the pedophiles out and they could stay at your place:smack: Treat- I’ve follow this thread off and on without intervening because I’d hoped you would get the idea that the SDMB is not like other places on the web. Casual insults and put downs are not the norm here. Nonetheless, I see you haven’t learned such. I’m giving you a warning for this one, and could easily have done so several times over the course of the thread. I encourage you to read the rules for the SDMB in general and the Great Debates forum in particular. You can find them at the top of the list of threads. As I said, I’m giving you a warning here. Failure to follow moderator guidance can result in suspension of posting privileges either temporarily or permanently. I don’t want that to happen, and I’d like to see you become a longtime participant. But you need to learn to follow the rules. Witnessing - as you seem to be doing - is specifically allowed in Great Debates, but those who do so should expect some pushback. But responding to that with insults and such is outside the lines. Please don’t do so again. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/280 "2014-07-14T03:25:06Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Then why are you here? I started this thread, the real question is why are you here? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=15)