# God's math **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992 "2014-07-13T13:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/61 "2014-07-13T17:59:15Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Ok Beelzebub Keep telling yourself hell isn’t real also, see where that will get you.:smack: It is contemptable, arrogant and low minded to threaten a fellow human being with hell because he or she fails to believe what you believe. You are indeed as poor a student of the teaching of your own god as you are of math. ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/62 "2014-07-13T18:04:04Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > No, He gave the skeptic, such as yourself, room to entertain his reprobate mind. **You think you can understand the mind of God?** HA ha ha go away you’re silly (Bolding mine) Aren’t you kinda sorta doing that with all this truth-in-numbers stuff? Maybe God just doesn’t like round numbers. It really seems, after all, like this convoluted mathing-means-proof stuff would be a lot easier to peddle if He had. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/63 "2014-07-13T18:09:14Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > > You joined the board in 2006. There is one 6 in that numeral. The other 3 numbers are not sixes. The first number is 2. Two times three is 6. So now you have two sixes, which is 12. You joined the board in the month of February, which is the second month. Twelve divided by two is… 6! :eek: > > > > 6, 6, 6! 666! **Mijin** is the Antichrist! :eek: > > I love that God left these easter eggs in the final cut of the Universe. > I mean, they don’t make a lick of sense, but he’s an eccentric. And anyway his most obsessive fans seem to appreciate them. > > Damn it! > > And I was so clever…maybe _too_ clever… Too clever by half! Wait. Half of 666 is 333. Three times three times three is 27. Twenty-seven is three squared times 3, which is written 3[sup]2[/sup] x 3… a 3 and a 2. Multiply the number that appears more often by the number of times it appears. Three appears twice, so 3 x 2, which equals 6. Drop a 6 from 666, and you have 66. A statute mile is 5280 feet. Divide that by 66, and you get 80. Eighty times The Number of the Beast is 53,280 Five plus three plus two plus eight plus zero is 18. Eighteen is three sixes… 666! :eek: You _are_ the Antichrist! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/64 "2014-07-13T18:12:14Z")
> [@orangeapples](#): > > (Bolding mine) > > Aren’t you kinda sorta doing that with all this truth-in-numbers stuff? Maybe God just doesn’t like round numbers. It really seems, after all, like this convoluted mathing-means-proof stuff would be a lot easier to peddle if He had. “[It]ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova, and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?” ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/65 "2014-07-13T18:15:19Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Yes friend it’s all for your visual pleasure but you don’t have eyes to see, really it’s about audio, they represent music but you don’t have the ears to hear. ¿Qué? What does that have to do with what I said? If you can’t respond to arguments and instead just throw out those classic religious, saccharine deflections, Great Debates is not the place for you. Anyway, let’s go back to this: > [@Treat](#): > > … but you don’t have the ears to hear. Behold, the Devil cites scripture for his own purpose: > [@](#): > > Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/66 "2014-07-13T18:15:27Z")
I got about three minutes into the video before my absurdity tolerance level was reached. As an incidental, I’m reminded of why 24 and 60 are so significant that they found their way into timekeeping - they lend themselves to easy fractions. I’d read a bit about Babylonian number systems when I was a kid and I admired how well they worked if you hadn’t invented zero yet. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/67 "2014-07-13T18:22:10Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > > [@running coach](#): > > > > What would God need with a countdown timer? > > If there was one it would be for our benefit most likely, not His. So, you’re saying that by carefully observing celestial phenomenon, we can ascertain certain facts about the future? Funny, I always thought astrology was supposed to be a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/68 "2014-07-13T18:26:29Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It is contemptable, arrogant and low minded to threaten a fellow human being with hell because he or she fails to believe what you believe. > > You are indeed as poor a student of the teaching of your own god as you are of math. Contrary to popular belief, I have no power to put someone in hell or keep them out. I can only warn them. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/69 "2014-07-13T18:30:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you’re saying that by carefully observing celestial phenomenon, we can ascertain certain facts about the future? > > Funny, I always thought astrology was supposed to be a sin. Astronomy not astrology is very Biblical and not a sin. Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and **let them be for signs** , and for seasons, and for days, and years: ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/70 "2014-07-13T18:31:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, you’re saying that by carefully observing celestial phenomenon, we can ascertain certain facts about the future? But not too carefully: you want to have nice round numbers like 360, because that’s a factor of 144,000, and 365 is not. (Though perhaps you should round to 370 days in a year instead, mutiply that by 36 [the number of inches in a yard] and divide by 20 [the number of hundredweight in a ton] – and you get 666!) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/71 "2014-07-13T18:32:39Z")
Astronomy suggests the universe is far larger and far older than the bible-writers could imagine, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/72 "2014-07-13T18:32:47Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Numbers don’t lie:smack: God foreknew all things. As one example, he knew before he ever created the world what the order of the letters in the English alphabet would be. And using this knowledge, he has ensured that we would all receive a message about you through your name, lest we listen to you and be damned. For substituting in numbers in order for the letters in your name, we get the following list: 20 18 5 1 20 The sum of these numbers is 64. That number is the **sixth** power of two. The product of these numbers is 36,000. That number is the thousandth multiple of the square of **six**. Finally, take the individual letters again, using each exactly one time, and see how no matter how you look at them, they provide the third **six** revealing your master’s identity: 20 - 20 = zero times _six_. 18 = three times _six_. 5 + 1 = one times _six_. If you expect anyone on seeing this not to immediately shun you as the devil’s representative, you will need to explain convincingly why one should not listen to these mathematical proofs yet _should_ listen to yours. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/73 "2014-07-13T18:34:26Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I got about three minutes into the video before my absurdity tolerance level was reached. > > As an incidental, I’m reminded of why 24 and 60 are so significant that they found their way into timekeeping - they lend themselves to easy fractions. I’d read a bit about Babylonian number systems when I was a kid and I admired how well they worked if you hadn’t invented zero yet. Oh the travesty, those dang Mayans and their zero.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/74 "2014-07-13T18:38:27Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > 20 - 20 = zero times _six_. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/75 "2014-07-13T18:40:20Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Astronomy not astrology is very Biblical and not a sin. The idea that the moon is a countdown timer to some divine event is not astronomy. Also, you should be careful not to confuse criticism of your math with a rejection of Christianity as a whole. While there are certainly a lot of atheists on this board who have no truck with religion as a whole, the vast majority of practicing Christians would likely also reject your ideas about comparing arbitrary values of randomly selected objects in the solar system to derive numbers that kinda-sorta look like numbers found in the Bible. Particularly if they have a rudimentary education in either mathematics, astronomy, or, for that matter, Christian theology. > [@](#): > > Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” -Mark 13:32 ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/76 "2014-07-13T18:41:20Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > But not too carefully: you want to have nice round numbers like 360, because that’s a factor of 144,000, and 365 is not. > > (Though perhaps you should round to 370 days in a year instead, mutiply that by 36 [the number of inches in a yard] and divide by 20 [the number of hundredweight in a ton] – and you get 666!) Oh I can smell the the desperation getting stronger with every reply. The ‘nice round number’ came from the Bible, I didn’t just make it up, google it.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/77 "2014-07-13T18:48:00Z")
Hey, here’s a wacky spitball-out-of-left-field idea. If God’s existence is provable (with _math!_) then it should be apparent to anyone who understands math, right? No blind faith required? So why not, as an experiment, we make it illegal to tell any child under ten about religion in any way. If God is the one true god and he’s provable (with _math!_) then when the kids are old enough to understand math, they’ll understand God. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/78 "2014-07-13T18:52:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The idea that the moon is a countdown timer to some divine event is not astronomy. > > Also, you should be careful not to confuse criticism of your math with a rejection of Christianity as a whole. While there are certainly a lot of atheists on this board who have no truck with religion as a whole, the vast majority of practicing Christians would likely also reject your ideas about comparing arbitrary values of randomly selected objects in the solar system to derive numbers that kinda-sorta look like numbers found in the Bible. Particularly if they have a rudimentary education in either mathematics, astronomy, or, for that matter, Christian theology. > > “But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” -Mark 13:32 The foul smell of the desperate offends my nostrils. Firstly you are dishonestly misrepresenting my stance of the countdown timer, I merely stated it was a possibility that I can’t, by right, rule out. However the moon was to be used as sign and that is in fact astronomy. Luk\_21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; So with that in mind I have no idea what the point of your reply was, you’ve probably spoke in ignorance again. BTW I don’t mix up the believers with the non-believers, the non-believers sloppily tip their hat as to which side of the fence they are on with their discord for God, not my math, thank you. Finally it says no man knows the day nor hour, but doesn’t say no man will know the year nor season. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/79 "2014-07-13T18:55:07Z")
Excuse me, but Jesus knew perfectly well that the year is 354 days long - except for leap years, which are 384. I have no idea where you got those other, pagan numbers from. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/80 "2014-07-13T18:55:22Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > :smack: You understand that the equation is correct, right? If you understand that the equation is correct, why would you think its being true has any less significance than the truth of any other equation? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=5)