# God's math **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 13, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992 "2014-07-13T13:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![liontamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b487fb/32.png) [@liontamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liontamer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/101 "2014-07-13T19:58:04Z")
Do you have a headache from slapping yourself? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/102 "2014-07-13T19:58:11Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Be more specific as to what aspect of your post you want me to comment on. The numerology involved in making these particular numbers divine? Specifically, how it fits in with your understanding of these divine numberage. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/103 "2014-07-13T20:00:36Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Earth is older than the sun, yes. The Bible does not specify how old though. Funny thing - people who use math have concluded the sun is a little older than the Earth, “little” in this case still being far longer than any biblical timespan. Seriously, Revelation talks about Christ reigning for a thousand years. That’s an eyeblink in astronomy terms. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/104 "2014-07-13T20:08:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I hesitate to say this, but… it is indeed possible to multiply seconds by years. I don’t know why you’d do this, especially without converting them both to the same units first, but it’s possible. You definitely won’t get a length out of it, though. > > I guess you should of hesitated then because nobody remotely suggested getting a length out multiplying time intervals. What you fail or are unable to grasp is that this is about a song, a song with frequencies, notes, and harmonies that ring out eternally and are married to a very specific subject matter. It amazing you can’t wrap your head that concept. > > > [@](#): > > > > More directly to the OP, though, I have to ask **Treat** : Why is your faith so weak? And why do you put your weak faith in such a pitiful being as the one you think is God? You’re asking us to believe that God doesn’t know any math beyond second-grade arithmetic. The Creator of the Universe is so much greater than that, but your lack of faith is preventing you from seeing His full glory. If you believe that God communicates with us through mathematics, then you should be seeking a far greater understanding of mathematics than what you have right now. Try learning tensor calculus, and complex analysis, and Hilbert space algebra, and calculus of variations. If you learn all of that, you’ll still be far, far short of understanding the full mind of God… but you’ll at least be able to understand a few of the messages He’s sent us. > > Jesus taught 70 x 7 perhaps you can save your little spiel for Him. Now that you think about it, wasn’t to well thought out, was it? > > > [@](#): > > > > For instance, you’ll be able to understand God’s message to us telling us that the Universe is over 13 billion years old, the Sun is 5 billion, and the Earth is 4.5 billion. He told us that, and the message is quite clear and easy to read, if you know the math. If you claim that the actual age of the Universe or of the Earth is something else, then you are calling God a liar. You like going off on tangents, consider starting a new thread to share what God is telling, I’d rather keep this thread on subject, thank you for sharing ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/105 "2014-07-13T20:10:25Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Earth is older than the sun, yes. The Bible does not specify how old though. And with this we can conclude that any rational discussion with **Treat** is impossible. This is not a debate, or even a discussion, it is merely religious witnessing by an individual with no interest whatsoever in the truth, but whose only concern is to stand on his soapbox and shout his propaganda to the wind. I say leave him in peace to do so, you will not influence him in the slightest regardless of the accuracy of your arguments, or your demonstration of the inescapable inaccuracy in his. This is a lost cause. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/106 "2014-07-13T20:11:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What’s wrong, KJV 1611 doesn’t have Adam and Eve? So much for your knowledge of scripture. Yeah and theres flying monkeys on the moon preparing to invade us as we speak:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/107 "2014-07-13T20:12:18Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > You like going off on tangents, consider starting a new thread to share what God is telling, I’d rather keep this thread on subject, thank you for sharing In one sentence, please tell us what the subject of this thread is. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/108 "2014-07-13T20:15:12Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > And with this we can conclude that any rational discussion with **Treat** is impossible. > > This is not a debate, or even a discussion, it is merely religious witnessing by an individual with no interest whatsoever in the truth, but whose only concern is to stand on his soapbox and shout his propaganda to the wind. > > I say leave him in peace to do so, you will not influence him in the slightest regardless of the accuracy of your arguments, or your demonstration of the inescapable inaccuracy in his. This is a lost cause. Actually the earth being older than the sun is a debatable topic in the science community. But once again ignorance wins the day, oh well, so long, too bad you had no idea what you were talking about:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/109 "2014-07-13T20:16:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > In one sentence, please tell us what the subject of this thread is. I’ll tell you in one sentence what its not: How old the universe is:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/110 "2014-07-13T20:18:10Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > More directly to the OP, though, I have to ask **Treat** : Why is your faith so weak? And why do you put your weak faith in such a pitiful being as the one you think is God? You’re asking us to believe that God doesn’t know any math beyond second-grade arithmetic. The Creator of the Universe is so much greater than that, but your lack of faith is preventing you from seeing His full glory. “How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” - Carl Sagan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/111 "2014-07-13T20:21:05Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > I’ll tell you in one sentence what its not: How old the universe is:smack: Would you answer my question, please? ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/112 "2014-07-13T20:21:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” - Carl Sagan Is that what he transmitted to the aliens? Lol ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/113 "2014-07-13T20:24:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would you answer my question, please? You answer me this one question and then I will answer you. What would you like to talk about? Then go start a thread about that because it’s a mystery to me as to why you are not doing that instead of wasting your time here. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/114 "2014-07-13T20:26:03Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Actually the earth being older than the sun is a debatable topic in the science community. But once again ignorance wins the day, oh well, so long, too bad you had no idea what you were talking about:smack: I was honestly not aware of any such debate and ask for evidence of its existence. Granted, the sun and the Earth were both in an extended period of formation with no bright-line beginning or end, but it’s safely assumed based on evidence that the sun started first. ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/115 "2014-07-13T20:26:39Z")
> [@liontamer](#): > > Do you have a headache from slapping yourself? why you askin?:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/116 "2014-07-13T20:31:11Z")
I can’t speak for Czarcasm, but I think I might enjoy a discussion of how pseudoscience, biblically-inspired or otherwise, is a drag on human development. ---
**Author:** ![liontamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b487fb/32.png) [@liontamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liontamer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/117 "2014-07-13T20:34:13Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > why you askin?:smack: It’s not so much the shit you’re spouting but do you have to do it in every post? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/118 "2014-07-13T20:35:56Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The numerology involved in making these particular numbers divine? Specifically, how it fits in with your understanding of these divine numberage. Are you not familiar with this part of The Bible? ---
**Author:** ![Treat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/858c86/32.png) [@Treat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/119 "2014-07-13T20:43:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was honestly not aware of any such debate and ask for evidence of its existence. Granted, the sun and the Earth were both in an extended period of formation with no bright-line beginning or end, but it’s safely assumed based on evidence that the sun started first. > **[How old is the Earth's core? Maybe older than you thought](https://phys.org/news/2011-11-earth-core-older-thought.html)** > > (PhysOrg.com) -- Another discovery by a Michigan Technological University researcher could send shockwaves across the world of earth science. There is not a whole lot of information expect in the science community circles because it fairly new, but the scientists found the earth to be 1.2 billion years older than previously thought which makes it older than the sun. I suppose the heliophysicists will have to change their numbers again next year so it won’t be a debatable topic again. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992/120 "2014-07-13T20:47:10Z")
> [@Treat](#): > > Actually the earth being older than the sun is a debatable topic in the science community. Aaaaaand there it is, folks! The grand slam! End of thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-math/692992.md?page=7)