What inconsistency?
Neither of these tells us that scripture has to be inconsistent.
If you are arguing (not to put words in your mouth) that because these are inconsistent, scripture must be favored which produces inconsistent statements, we really are on a fool’s errand. I disagree with inconsistency in the Adam and Eve story anyway. I think the rest of the scripture paints a pretty conclusive picture that Adam and Eve did in fact die, spiritually, giving rise to a need to be reborn in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.
As far as Abe and Isaac go, I can see the need for Yah to impress upon Abraham that he did indeed fear Yah. This command gives something to Yah to point to in order to convince Abraham that he is worthy of being the father of Yah’s chosen people. If Abraham is not convinced of this, he might decide to go fishing instead of founding nations.
I mean I will not insist that the creation account means Yah gets physically tired on a premise that I must find inconsistency with a verse that claims Yah does not tire. I prefer to choose the meaning “celebrate” instead of “rest” because the scripture otherwise says Yah does not get physically tired, and scripture makes more sense to me when it is consistent.
So you interpret “in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” to mean “you’ll keep living for years and years, but the difference is that you’ll be as one of us, knowing good and evil.” That’s an – interesting way to seek consistency.
And so He first gives the command to Abraham, and then later – er, had the opposite command get relayed, to countermand the first one?
Where does it say that?
Say what? be more specific please, unless you mean where does it say “thou shalt surely die.” In that case, I’d point out you first put that on the table.
oops I got a little ahead of myself there my mistake.
Yah does not tire, is that what you are asking me to cite? Or that Hebrew translated rest also has a meaning of celebrate?
Actually, both would be terrific.
Sorry for how post no. 106 looks as if I am misquoting you, Waldo. I got distracted by others and didn’t arrange the post properly.
I don’t think that a dream qualifies as a full-fledged revelation of the future… But… That the situations had you worried is, really, all that I would have argued for. If seeing a dream start to come true didn’t worry you, I’d have to wonder!
One more bad habit I’ll try to overcome!
This is interesting, as it parallels something Martin Gardner pointed out: since you are now interacting with me, your own actions may possibly influence the outcome. Thus, you would have to have total knowledge of your own actions, as well as mine. You would have to become a system that has perfect modeling of its own states. The recursion in that leads to information paradoxes.
Actually, I kinda like that answer. It has a kind of magnificence that omniscience of linear time doesn’t. God knows everything we might do; God knows all the choices available to us, no matter how unlikely. God knows the time-line where I become a mass murderer…and the one where I convert to Catholicism and become a Bishop! To me, subjectively, it appears that I’m making choices – lopping branches off of the vast five-dimensional tree – but God sees the tree in its entirety, and, at Judgement Day, assesses my morality on the basis of the sum total of all my possible choices.
I don’t believe it…but I like it!
Agreed. That’s one of the things I tried to suggest in my overly-underlined post: it depends on how one interprets the implications of a revelation of the future.
(I’ve always admired the quirky Delphic revelations, which aren’t of a darn bit of use to anyone! “If you cross the river, a great empire will be destroyed.” Oh, gosh, thanks a heap! I was hoping for information on enemy troop deployments, and I get a bloomin’ tautology.")
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Isaiah 40:28
yaga (H3021) is the hebrew here for weary. It has no meaning other than being physically tired.
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon - EliYah Ministries (type in H3021)
Gen 2:2
The word here is shabath, (H7673) wherefrom we get english Sabbath.
Actually I believe that another Lexicon offers the meaning of celebrate, I thought I got that tidbit at Blue Letter Bible, but I guess I didn’t. or perhaps I got confused speaking from memory. Nevertheless the word’s primary meaning is “to cease.”
Even if I’m entirely wrong about “celebrate” I am still correct that this verse does not mean that Yah gets tired in a physical sense. Grow tired of the way people behave, yes, as in the sense of annoyed and perturbed.
I’ll see if I can find an online lexicon that also includes “celebrate.” as a meaning of shabath
There is a quote in (if I remember correctly ) that God is quoted as saying,“even before you were in the womb,I knew you” That would mean that the Abrahamic God knows the future. Also if a person is evil saying that person will go to hell, is also predicting or knowing the future of people. It seems to me that would mean God has set the future already,and human’s actions would have little bearing on their actions,using Hitler as an example.
Knowing the future is not the same thing as setting the future.
(Well, ok, I’d say it probably is the same thing in the case of a god, but conceptually they are different things and hence there is wiggle room).
I’d think that there are possible translation issues with that I knew you bit.
Yeah I’ve been attempting to deal witht that. Please see my previous posts.
I’ve seen them. Just pointing out another. Why do people assume the Bible was written in English?
Don’t have a clue why they think that, not a clue, my man.
Our penal system is of human doing, not of an all knowing God, we didn’t create the people and let them harm others, but your God did! I would try to prevent my children from harming others and have taught them to be kind and understanding of others, I and my husband taught them our selves, and they are good people. We taught them that if they touch a hot stove(as an example) that it will hurt them, and we didn’t want them to be hurt,then if they touched it they would understand. We would do all we could to prevent them from touching it when possible. We didn’t leave it up to the older chilldren to teach the younger children, we taught them ouselves and let them know for certain that we were their parents, not hide and expect them to know us.
People who break the law and know they are breaking it have a bigger sentence than the young child who doesn’t know. Your God seems to make no distinction!
As I see it the OT and NT( and any written material) is written by a human being who claimed a God said or did something, and humans are wrong a lot and exaggerate a lot. Because some one wrote, said, or taught that God said something doesn’t make it true. So much of the writings (including the Koran and etc.) doesn’t make God a good ,all knowing , loving being. It seems that they were trying to keep the people to be good by fear or guilt. Like telling a child the Bogey man will get them if they don’t watch out!
I was answering a post wherein the poster claimed that Yah’s threats of punishment eliminated free will in a transgressor. My point was that we do not use that reasoning elsewhere. If you tell your young child they will be punished if they do X, and they do X, do you go ahead and punish them, or do you say, “My threat of punishment means the child did not have freewill to choose to disobey me and therefore cannot be punished?”
And of course the less a person has had a chance to learn right from wrong should be considered when punishing.
I told mine that their actions would hurt themselves, If they steal, they would be cheating themselves and others, because they , and all the people they love would be paying more for the articles,because the stores etc, add the price to things to make it up.
Our human laws were made to protect them and all people, if a human law is unjust, we can vote to change it.
When my children disobeyed I had then pick so many weeds from the yard, we had the nicest yard in the neighborhood. I didn’t kill them for things they didn’t know,I was not a perfect parent, and My children have forgiven me whan I was wrong. I taught them to be responsible for their own wrong actions. When they were at fault I taught them that it takes courage to go to the moon like the astronauts, but it takes more courage to be honest and take the consequences of their actions.
The last 6 commandments were just comman sense, If one has the right to kill another etc. our civilization would collapse,we humans do need others,and I have found in my years that doing good and trying not to harm another was good for me as well. I believe the word understanding means to stand in the place of another and experience what they may experience.I am far from perfect and I do not expect perfection from others.