# Gods sabbath day SAVED! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 25, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937 "2009-11-25T19:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/1 "2009-11-25T19:07:50Z")
Do you believe that Christians must observe to keep Gods sabbath day (friday sundown till saturday sundown) in order to be saved to the kingdom? The scriptures say yes you do. What have you been taught? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/2 "2009-11-25T19:18:00Z")
1. No 2. That it’s all allegory at best. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/3 "2009-11-25T19:24:55Z")
If you’re going to witness based on “what the Scriptures say,” proof is useful. In point of fact, Paul specifies what is required to “be saved”: “if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, ‘Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.’” (Romans 10:9-11) In this context, Paul is very explicit that obedience to the Law is not salvific. What is, is taking Jesus as Lord, confessing Him aloud, and keeping His commandments. And what those commandments are, is made quite clear in the Gospels, cf. Matthew 7:12 and 22:34-40. In fact, Paul makes it clear in Galatians that attempting to save onesel by keeping the Law is making the Atonement void. Now, you were saying…? ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/4 "2009-11-25T19:55:05Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > In fact, Paul makes it clear in Galatians that attempting to save onesel by keeping the Law is making the Atonement void. > > Now, you were saying…? Now, what your saying is "if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved Unless you are obeying the voice and keeping his law ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/5 "2009-11-25T20:14:59Z")
Note that Jews don’t believe that keeping the Sabbath is a necessary condition for salvation, either. The Jews regard the 613 commandments (yes, there are more than ten) given to Moses as being binding only on Moses’ descendants, that is to say, the Jews. Non-Jews are only expected to follow the seven commandments given to Noah, since everyone’s a descendant of Noah, and the Noahide commandments are basic enough that most people follow them without even knowing what they are. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/6 "2009-11-25T20:20:52Z")
Minor point: the 613 commandments are binding on the descendants of Jacob, not just on the descendants of Moses. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/7 "2009-11-25T20:20:58Z")
I don’t know about Christians, but I know anybody that wakes me up early on a weekend is deserving of a righteous smiting. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/8 "2009-11-25T20:22:24Z")
Hey Chronos In the long run, it doesnt really matter what the Jews believe. What matters is the written Word. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/9 "2009-11-25T20:28:26Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Hey Chronos > In the long run, it doesnt really matter what the Jews believe. What matters is the written Word. Yes, but the Word says that God made a covenant with Abraham, who passed it on to his son Isaac, who passed it on to his son Jacob, who granted his birthright to his descendants. What Jews believe is that God will keep his word. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/10 "2009-11-25T20:28:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The Jews regard the 613 commandments (yes, there are more than ten) . . . No wonder they need a special holy day just for guilt! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/11 "2009-11-25T20:29:31Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > Hey Chronos > In the long run, it doesnt really matter what the Jews believe. What matters is the written Word. In the long run, it doesn’t matter what anybody believes. In a hepta-jillion years or so, the Sun is going to destroy the earth, and all that Man has ever achieved. In the meantime, interrupting my sleeping in and watching football on the weekends is grounds for an asskicking of epic proportion. So sayeth Oak. So mote it be. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/12 "2009-11-25T20:32:52Z")
Jesus repeatedly said to do what you had to do on the Sabbath. > [@](#): > > Matt 12:1-8 > 1 At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grainfields, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat. > 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” > 3 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did, when he became hungry, he and his companions; > 4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests alone? > 5 "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and are innocent? > 6 "But I say to you, that something greater than the temple is here. > 7 "But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. > 8 “For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” > [@](#): > > “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27) > [@](#): > > Mark 3:1-6 > 1 And He entered again into a synagogue; and a man was there with a withered limb. > 2 And they were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, in order that they might accuse Him. > 3 And He said to the man with the withe , “Rise and come forward!” > 4 And He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save a life or to kill?” But they kept silent. > 5 And after looking around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, He said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored. > [@](#): > > Luke 13:10-17 > 10 And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. > 11 And behold, there was a woman who for eighteen years had had a sickness caused by a spirit; and she was bent double, and could not straighten up at all. > 12 And when Jesus saw her, He called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your sickness.” > 13 And He laid His hands upon her; and immediately she was made erect again, and began glorifying God. > 14 And the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the multitude in response, “There are six days in which work should be done; therefore come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” > 15 But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall, and lead him away to water him? > 16 “And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?” > [@](#): > > Luke 14:1-5 > 1 And it came about when He went into the house of one of the leaders of the Pharisees on the Sabbath to eat bread, that they were watching Him closely. > 2 And there, in front of Him was a certain man suffering from dropsy. > 3 And Jesus answered and spoke to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath, or not?” > 4 But they kept silent. And He took hold of him, and healed him, and sent him away. > 5 And He said to them, “Which one of you shall have a son or an ox fall into a well, and will not immediately pull him out on a Sabbath day ?” > [@](#): > > John 7:21-24 > 21 Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one deed, and you all marvel. > 22 "On this account Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and on the Sabbath you circumcise a man. > 23 "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath that the Law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made an entire man well on the Sabbath? > 24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” He also repeatedly showed little patience for those who put the letter of the law above the spirit of the law. So, I say watch a ball game and if Jesus comes by He’ll probably ask the score and maybe bum some beer and chips. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDoDo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FlyingDoDo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDoDo)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/13 "2009-11-25T20:40:26Z")
Lets take a look at the “tree of life” GEN.3 [22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: In the beginning of the good book scripture says, we must take of the tree of life and live forever. This was after Adam and Eve goofed everything up. The “live for ever” at the end of the scripture points to the kingdom. Should you make it there, you shall forever be with the Lord. PROVERBS 13 [12] Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is A TREE OF LIFE.[13]Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but HE THAT FEARETH THE COMMANDMENT SHALL BE REWARDED.[14] The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. In the middle of the book scripture speaks of the tree of life and is reserved for those who keep the commandments and the law. Do you believe God has changed His mind? REVELATION 22 [13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[14] BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, AND MAY ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. I reckon not sow. In the end of the book (new testament) scripture says you may take hold of the tree of life and enter into the city (1000yr. period of rest) only if you keep the commandments. One of those commandments is the 4th. That’s the short of it. But there is plenty in between which prove you must be observing to keep the sabbath in order to be saved ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/14 "2009-11-25T20:40:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So, I say watch a ball game and if Jesus comes by He’ll probably ask the score and maybe bum some beer and chips. Hmmm…I am a Saints fan. Maybe He’d be willing to call in a favor from his old man… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/15 "2009-11-25T20:47:39Z")
I never understood why Sunday is the traditional day to go to church and whatnot. Surely God doesn’t want to be bothered on his day off? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/16 "2009-11-25T20:51:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I don’t know about Christians, but I know anybody that wakes me up early on a weekend is deserving of a righteous smiting. [QUOTE=Exodus 16:29] Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out. [/QUOTE] In other words: sleep in, with God’s blessing! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/17 "2009-11-25T20:56:08Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > I reckon not sow. In the end of the book (new testament) scripture says you may take hold of the tree of life and enter into the city (1000yr. period of rest) only if you keep the commandments. One of those commandments is the 4th. That’s the short of it. But there is plenty in between which prove you must be observing to keep the sabbath in order to be saved So, **FlyingDoDo** , out of all the commandments in Scripture, what made you focus on this one to start a thread about? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/18 "2009-11-25T20:57:12Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > For [outside the gates of heaven] are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Wait, all dogs don’t go to heaven? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/19 "2009-11-25T20:59:59Z")
Probably a point worth mentioning, one that’s probably been mentioned over and over again; if you give credence to what scriptures say you are on a slippery slope of either immorality or creating your own custom religion by ‘picking and choosing’ which bits of scripture you want to follow. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937/20 "2009-11-25T21:13:20Z")
> [@FlyingDoDo](#): > > What matters is the written Word. Ah, but which written word? Just the Torah? The full Bible? The Koran? The Book of Mormon? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gods-sabbath-day-saved/518937.md?page=2)